[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113930] EDITING: Bullets and Numbering incorrectly change tab positions

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113930

--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Óvári from comment #5)
> 1. Where the option is to enable tab positions to be independent of the
> bullets and numbering; or

That will not happen. We are restricted to the ODF which defines paragraph
style over table style (discussed now in bug 114287) with a default value on
the indentation and tab. What you ask for, zero indentation with tabs, is
possible via dedicated style but not when you directly format (click the bullet
at the toolbar). 

> 2. How to write the enhancement bug ticket so that a workflow similar to
> Google Docs and MS Word can be enabled in LO Writer.

MS Word is similar to Writer except it automatically changes the paragraph
style from 'default' to 'list' - but the bullets are indented anyway. GDocs has
no indentation before the bullet, most likely defined somewhere in the code. 

So if you request to change the default indentation of lists feel free to file
another ticket. But this change needs much acceptance in the community so be
aware of getting rejected.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113930] EDITING: Bullets and Numbering incorrectly change tab positions

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113930

--- Comment #6 from Óvári  ---
Should the status have been changed to UNCONFIRMED with the submission of:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113930#c5

Thank you

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113930] EDITING: Bullets and Numbering incorrectly change tab positions

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113930

--- Comment #5 from Óvári  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> Lists do have their own style including tab definition. If you want numbers
> and bullets to align with your paragraph you have to configure it. If you
> are talking about the default I believe it depends a lot on the use case.
> =>WF
> 
> Good news is that we plan to rework the dialog.
> https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/10/28/impress-lists/

Thank you for advising your design blog which refers to Impress. Will reworked
dialog be implement across the LO suite (including Writer)?

Could you please advise which figure in the rework dialogs enable the tabs and
bullets/numbering to be independent of each other?

Have you checked the default behaviour of other Office suites? Google Docs and
MS Word Bullets and Numbering do not change the tab positions; hence, could you
please advise:
1. Where the option is to enable tab positions to be independent of the bullets
and numbering; or
2. How to write the enhancement bug ticket so that a workflow similar to Google
Docs and MS Word can be enabled in LO Writer.

Thank you

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113930] EDITING: Bullets and Numbering incorrectly change tab positions

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113930

Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks|107553  |107834, 103369


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103369
[Bug 103369] [META] Bullet, numbered, and outline list bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107553
[Bug 107553] [META] Writer table styles bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107834
[Bug 107834] [META] Tab stops bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113930] EDITING: Bullets and Numbering incorrectly change tab positions

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113930

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||107553


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107553
[Bug 107553] [META] Writer table styles bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113930] EDITING: Bullets and Numbering incorrectly change tab positions

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |bureautiquelibre@nantesmetr
   |.freedesktop.org|opole.fr,
   ||tietze.he...@gmail.com
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Lists do have their own style including tab definition. If you want numbers and
bullets to align with your paragraph you have to configure it. If you are
talking about the default I believe it depends a lot on the use case. =>WF

Good news is that we plan to rework the dialog.
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/10/28/impress-lists/

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113930] EDITING: Bullets and Numbering incorrectly change tab positions

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Buovjaga  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org,
   ||todven...@suomi24.fi

--- Comment #3 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Óvári from comment #2)
> (In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #1)
> > I changed the status to NOTABUG. If you don't agree, feel free to change it
> > back to UNCONIRMED.
> We don't agree. What is the way forward to getting the bug fixed without
> verbose explanations like previous bugs that have previously been written,
> set as NOTABUG, and then implemented and set to FIXED?

The way there is perilous and your report might get eaten by the hell-hounds of
UX team.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113930] EDITING: Bullets and Numbering incorrectly change tab positions

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Óvári  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED
 Resolution|NOTABUG |---

--- Comment #2 from Óvári  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #1)
> I changed the status to NOTABUG. If you don't agree, feel free to change it
> back to UNCONIRMED.
We don't agree. What is the way forward to getting the bug fixed without
verbose explanations like previous bugs that have previously been written, set
as NOTABUG, and then implemented and set to FIXED?

Thank you

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113930] EDITING: Bullets and Numbering incorrectly change tab positions

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Dieter Praas  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 CC||dgp-m...@gmx.de
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #1 from Dieter Praas  ---
Thank you for reporting the bug. Personally I think, it's not a bug. The tab
position is defined with the Bullet List or the Numbered List. So if you choose
one of those lists, the tab position will change.

You can find some informatons about it in the writer-documentation (chapter 7):
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

I changed the status to NOTABUG. If you don't agree, feel free to change it
back to UNCONIRMED.

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