[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116593] Main Area View changes when a dynamic (context sensitive) toolbar opens during EDITING

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   Keywords||needsDevEval
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
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 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Apparently, Impress/Draw have a shared canvas while Write/Calc work
differently. Not sure that this can be changed at all without rewriting all (->
needsdeveval). The simple solution is to make the TB floating or dock it at a
place that never changes. The Notebookbar could become another solution.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116593] Main Area View changes when a dynamic (context sensitive) toolbar opens during EDITING

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--- Comment #8 from joerg.kub...@gmx.de  ---
just one more word: the problem occurs in LO Impress. In LO Writer it works as
i would intend (insert table, click inside, toolbar pops up but nothing moves)
!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116593] Main Area View changes when a dynamic (context sensitive) toolbar opens during EDITING

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--- Comment #7 from joerg.kub...@gmx.de  ---
May be there is a missunderstanding: I do not suggest putting the toolbars on
another layer (like MS word does) just the interior of the editor canvas should
not move when clicking inside it.
Probably that could be fixed (or "changed") with two lines of code setting the
x,y coordinates appropriate. I would contribute them if i could but
unfortunalty i dont have the development environment todo so.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116593] Main Area View changes when a dynamic (context sensitive) toolbar opens during EDITING

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--- Comment #6 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to joerg.kub...@gmx.de from comment #5)
> "It behaves as implemented and so, NOTABUG" 
> Nothing can behaves other then implemented and so you just invented the
> nonexistence of bugs ;-)

No, that is simply our QA process--sorting out what are change requests of all
flavors and merit, from legitimate errant behavior. And passing along either to
our UX-Design process to look at the merits of the change.

In objecting to what is already reasonable default GUI behavior, you are
suggesting a major refactoring of the GUI for something that is already
adequately addressed.

With available dev cycles, this is just not a facet of the GUI that _requires_
any additional effort--requirements build/design or development. 

As the devs often refrain: patches are welcome.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116593] Main Area View changes when a dynamic (context sensitive) toolbar opens during EDITING

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--- Comment #5 from joerg.kub...@gmx.de  ---
"It behaves as implemented and so, NOTABUG" 
Nothing can behaves other then implemented and so you just invented the
nonexistence of bugs ;-)

Unlike 36976 i dont want to disable toolbars. Toolbars should just behave user
friendly (ok, call it feature request). Then no one would need to disable
toolbars.

Clicking on something should just never move that thing away (unless its a
button which is obviously intended to open another dialog).

For a better userexperience LO should learn from other UIs that work way better
(MS Office for example)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116593] Main Area View changes when a dynamic (context sensitive) toolbar opens during EDITING

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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 Status|NEW |UNCONFIRMED
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   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36
   ||976
 Blocks||107817
 Ever confirmed|1   |0
   Severity|normal  |enhancement

--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote  ---
It behaves as implemented and so, NOTABUG. But poof! its an Enhancement request
(we've seen similar on occasion, with bug 36976 still open to optionally modify
contextual toolbar actions across the UI).

"It should just feel like the toolbars are on another level..."

So putting on my UX/Design hat, no _any_ context sensitive Toolbar can already
be controlled in a consistent fashion by undocking and stateful placement--the
user experience is fully customizable; we provide project defaults that make
the most sense across the modules--toolbars docked by default at reasonable
locations.

My recommendation would be => WONTFIX


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107817
[Bug 107817] [META] Impress UI/UX bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #3 from joerg.kub...@gmx.de  ---
You are arguing with Implementation details against the UI experience :-(
It should just feel like the toolbars are on another level (just like in real
when yoou put a paintbox on a paper the paper does not move away!). 
The implementation may be that the Canvas resizes but the x,y scrolling
coordinated are translated so that the content does not move upon automatic
resize of that Canvas.

The best user feeling is when it is NOT needed to configure anything before it
behaves like it should.

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 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #2 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Locking the frame of the presentation the canvas to a fixed scale is not an
option. It is expected to respond as toolbars are opened and closed.

However, any of the context sensitive toolbars can be undocked from the GUI. It
will float at the position you place it when it is active.

That use customization--opening toolbars and undocing/placing them as
desired--is fundamental to the GUI.

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--- Comment #1 from joerg.kub...@gmx.de  ---
Created attachment 140838
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=140838=edit
screenshot of problem

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