[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125714] When chart just selected without double click, Area options Fill and Transparency don't affect the chart area

2023-09-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125714

Stéphane Guillou (stragu)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14
   ||1841

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125714] When chart just selected without double click, Area options Fill and Transparency don't affect the chart area

2023-06-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125714

--- Comment #12 from Regina Henschel  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #11)
> So ultimately NAB?

I can think of some improvements for the sidebar:
The headings have only short words and do not tell, to what the settings are
applied.
For example instead of "Properties" it could be "OLE Properties", "Chart
Properties", "Cell Properties"...

And similar for the section headings. When in Chart edit mode you have e.g.
"Area". But area of what? It can be "Chart Area", "Chart Wall", "Legend"...
When in OLE object mode it could be "OLE Background" instead of "Area" e.g.

So not remove a feature but help the user to find the suitable tool.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125714] When chart just selected without double click, Area options Fill and Transparency don't affect the chart area

2023-06-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125714

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
So ultimately NAB?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125714] When chart just selected without double click, Area options Fill and Transparency don't affect the chart area

2023-06-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125714

--- Comment #10 from Regina Henschel  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #9)
> But it is hard to understand that the (chart) object can have a color and
> the chart wall too. I see no need for having both and would always use the
> object color for the wall. 

I would never use the object color for the wall. That would be in contradiction
to the principle of OLE.

You need to be able to set the fill of an OLE object for those OLE objects
which do not have an own ability to use an overall background. That is the case
for Math-objects for example. You need it because the same OLE object can be
used in different contexts, for example in a text document with white paper or
in a presentation with dark master slide.

We could consider restricting the geometric capabilities of OLE objects,
depending on the type of OLE object. But that would be against my personal
opinion. I am not a friend of removing working features from LibreOffice.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125714] When chart just selected without double click, Area options Fill and Transparency don't affect the chart area

2023-06-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125714

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
But it is hard to understand that the (chart) object can have a color and the
chart wall too. I see no need for having both and would always use the object
color for the wall. 

Reminds me on bug 141841.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125714] When chart just selected without double click, Area options Fill and Transparency don't affect the chart area

2023-06-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125714

Stéphane Guillou (stragu)  changed:

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   Keywords||needsUXEval
Summary|When chart just selected|When chart just selected
   |without double click, Area  |without double click, Area
   |options Fill and|options Fill and
   |Transparency in sidebar |Transparency don't affect
   |available but do not work   |the chart area

--- Comment #8 from Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 
 ---
If you later enter edit mode in the chart, modify the chart area and give it
some transparency, you will see the area fill in the background.

Note that this is not just from the sidebar:
1. Select a chart object
2. Format > Text box and shape > Area > Area tab

It makes sense that some sidebar settings affect the object as a whole (e.g.
shadow should be the shadow of the whole object, projected onto the sheet. Line
creates an outer border...), but there is (perceived?) inconsistency for that
Area deck/tab when a chart is selected: e.g. if transparency is applied, it
only affects that background layer, not the whole chart.

Design team, what are your thoughts? Should the Area deck of the sidebar when a
chart is selected affect the chart area instead of the object area that's
behind it?

I think we need to leave the menu "Format > Text box and shape" untouched for
backward compatibility, so documents making use of it can still be amended.
It's already unavailable in the context menu, which is good, but we can't
completely hide it away.

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