[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128595

--- Comment #21 from Octavio Alvarez  ---
Maybe your workflow can benefit from using Styles. I didn't understand that
much but it may be worth a try. I won't discuss Styles here because that would
be too off-topic for this bug report. I just will leave the suggestion.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128595

--- Comment #20 from contest...@aol.com ---
I don't know what you mean by "use case."

I copy text so that I don't have to retype it and re-establish its
characteristics such as font, size, bold, italic or special characters.  It is
often much faster to copy the text than to scroll through the dropdown list of
fonts.

It is not reasonable to send you my entire document, which is now around 115
pages, so I have isolated the problems for you and sent you examples, with
explanations of how I got the results.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from Octavio Alvarez  ---
Can you share your use case? Your workflow does not seem to be typical. It
would be useful to understand your use case, as asked in comment #13.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #18 from contest...@aol.com ---
Please see my comments 15 and 16 and their attachments.  These show both of the
errors that I reported originally, and they are not explained by the feature
that adds blanks at word boundaries if they are missing.

This bug report should be reinstated.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from contest...@aol.com ---
Created attachment 155827
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=155827=edit
Extra blanks when copying text

BTW, I had the very devil of a time making the text in the second set of
brackets boldface.  I had to go word-by-word, and sometimes a character at a
time.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from contest...@aol.com ---
I have now been able to reproduce the copying error that I observed on Monday. 
I copied some text that had no leading blank(s) after text that had no trailing
blanks, and ended up with 2 blanks between them.  I will attach a file showing
the problem.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #15 from contest...@aol.com ---
I still keep getting extra blanks that are not explained by word boundaries. 
When I tried to reproduce this to show you, I got the opposite result.  There
was a blank missing according to what you have told me.  Here is an example


aaa bbb ccc   Original text
aaa bbb aaa bbbccc   
   Copied “aaa bbb” before “ccc”  
   Expected “aaa bbb aaa bbb ccc”

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from contest...@aol.com ---
Created attachment 155723
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=155723=edit
Copying text enclosed in dots/periods

I have attached a set of test cases.  On each line I have taken some characters
from the original text and copied them, as indicated.

The reason that I copy single characters or single words instead of retyping
them is that I want to keep the same font and font effects.  If I retyped the
text, I would then have to select it, change it to bold, and then find the
desired font by scrolling the drop-down list.  If I do that carelessly, I would
then need to unbold the following text and change it back to Times Roman.  

Or, the character might be something special that I can't just type.  I would
have to find it in the Special Characters lists.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128595

--- Comment #13 from Octavio Alvarez  ---
(In reply to contestcen from comment #12)

[On Paste Unformatted not being useful]
> The reason that I am copying single characters instead of just retyping them
> is to preserve this formatting.

Can you share your use case? This is, why are you copying single characters
instead of typing them? Put another way, why is it more difficult to type than
to select, copy and paste?

> BTW, the text that I copied did not have blanks on either side. It was
> embedded in a line of dots (periods).

Can you share a sample document and the step-by-step instructions to reproduce
it? What we have tested so far does not match your description.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from contest...@aol.com ---
Paste unformatted is not a useful solution for me.  Aside from the difficulty
of pressing 4 keys simultaneously, paste unformatted loses ALL formatting, not
just word boundaries, namely font, size, and font effects.  The reason that I
am copying single characters instead of just retyping them is to preserve this
formatting.  It is more work to reformat the copied text than to delete the
unwanted blanks.  

BTW, the text that I copied did not have blanks on either side.  It was
embedded in a line of dots (periods).  This is another problem I have with
LibreOffice.  I have to do a lot of work to prevent periods from being
compressed into ellipses.

I disagree that this problem is NotABug.  The fact that the extra blanks were
inserted intentionally only means that this is not a programming bug, but it is
still a design bug.  Any time that you change something that I type, it's a
bug.  If you capitalize a letter that I typed in lower case, that's a bug.  If
you change a word I typed, that's a bug.  If you change 3 dots into an
ellipsis, or --> into an arrow, change 2nd into 2 with a superscript nd, that's
a bug, unless I specifically tell you to make those formatting changes.

Sorry, just sounding off, but this all gets very frustrating constantly
fighting against program features that I'm sure the designers thought would
actually be helpful.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128595

--- Comment #11 from Octavio Alvarez  ---
(In reply to Octavio Alvarez from comment #10)
> ---
> If a text cut or copied from Writer is surrounded by spaces it will be
> considered as a set of words. When pasted, Writer will surround it smartly
> by spaces to keep it as a word: separated by spaces from other characters
> but avoiding any duplication of spaces.
> 
> If the text is pasted as Unformatted Text, this consideration is ignored and
> the text is pasted as is, without adding any spaces.
> ---

Small correction: Writer will surround it smartly by spaces to keep it as a set
of words.

---
If a text cut or copied from Writer is surrounded by spaces it will be
considered as a set of words. When pasted, Writer will surround it smartly by
spaces to keep it as a set of words: separated by spaces from other characters
but avoiding any duplication of spaces.

If the text is pasted as Unformatted Text, this consideration is ignored and
the text is pasted as is, without adding any spaces.
---

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from Octavio Alvarez  ---
(In reply to Timur from comment #9)
> "Writer will copy and paste a word with trailing or leading space, to
> separate from other word. Same is for single letter, because it's regarded a
> word.
> One or more characters from a word will be pasted without space. 
> Words pasted as unformatted text will also not have a space."

I agree that this should be documented.

It's not "trailing or leading" but "trailing and leading". I did some tests to
confirm this. I also think that the phrase "single letter" is ambiguous; it can
be thought of any character from within a word if the rest of the proposed text
has not been read yet.

Allow me to propose a new text:

---
If a text cut or copied from Writer is surrounded by spaces it will be
considered as a set of words. When pasted, Writer will surround it smartly by
spaces to keep it as a word: separated by spaces from other characters but
avoiding any duplication of spaces.

If the text is pasted as Unformatted Text, this consideration is ignored and
the text is pasted as is, without adding any spaces.
---

My two cents.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 128595] Document difference for words and characters and spaces when copying and pasting text

2019-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128595

Timur  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Ever confirmed|0   |1
Summary|Inconsistent behavior when  |Document difference for
   |copying text|words and characters and
   ||spaces when copying and
   ||pasting text
 CC||olivier.hallot@libreoffice.
   ||org
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
  Component|Writer  |Documentation

--- Comment #9 from Timur  ---
We have two options here. 
First, this is NotABug. As explained, difference is characters and words. So
you cannot turn off feature, but solution for a user is Paste Unformatted.
Other is to update Documentation, which I prefer.

Unless it's already explained, because I couldn't find, we can add some text in
Paste section like
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/en-US/text/shared/guide/pasting.html?=WRITER=WIN:

"Writer will copy and paste a word with trailing or leading space, to separate
from other word. Same is for single letter, because it's regarded a word.
One or more characters from a word will be pasted without space. 
Words pasted as unformatted text will also not have a space."

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