[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131182] new menu item: DOCUMENT, or a new sub-menu item FILES / Outline (enhancement, development)

2020-03-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131182

Adolfo Jayme  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEEDINFO|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #6 from Adolfo Jayme  ---
I’ll go ahead and mark this as WONTFIX for a reason I will state in a moment,
and with this action I don’t mean to imply that we do not welcome UX
suggestions — rather the opposite! But you should weigh the consequences of
making any changes to menus, and those are an increasingly painful weight put
on the shoulders of documentation writers and translators, all of whom are
volunteers who gain nothing from the extra effort to update their content to
reflect endless UI changes. Also, users themselves are affected in that they
are forced to re-learn where things are in each release.

In the past we had a contributor, J. P., who implemented many menu changes in a
very rapid pace, without giving a real chance to others in the documentation
and l10n teams to give input. Since he was met with little friction, he went on
like this for a few releases. Now we have sizable problems in updating
now-obsolete help strings (since he didn’t bother with it and discrepancies
were only noticed individually by bug reporters afterwards), and translators
(some of them like me, polyglots who work on several languages, and in many
cases in charge only by themselves of the whole translation to their languages)
had to deal with the fallout. I, personally, haven’t been able to again
complete to 100% the help translations to Spanish and Asturian since then, and
a few years have passed! Do you see the problem now?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131182] new menu item: DOCUMENT, or a new sub-menu item FILES / Outline (enhancement, development)

2020-03-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131182

Cor Nouws  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Version|6.4.1.2 release |Inherited From OOo

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131182] new menu item: DOCUMENT, or a new sub-menu item FILES / Outline (enhancement, development)

2020-03-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131182

--- Comment #5 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
Changings for changings

-1 from me

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131182] new menu item: DOCUMENT, or a new sub-menu item FILES / Outline (enhancement, development)

2020-03-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131182

Dave Barton  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||da...@libreoffice.org

--- Comment #4 from Dave Barton  ---
-1. This proposal does nothing to make the software easier to use or
understand. Such a reorganization of the core menus would make the UI even more
confusing for inexperienced users.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131182] new menu item: DOCUMENT, or a new sub-menu item FILES / Outline (enhancement, development)

2020-03-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131182

Thomas Lendo  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||thomas.le...@gmail.com

--- Comment #3 from Thomas Lendo  ---
In principle, a Document root menu item makes sense in Writer compared to Sheet
in Calc.

But there are not as many items as in Calc with Sheet to justify a new root
menu item. As Dieter said, normal user will be confused with File / Document.

The minimum information to discuss this is a list of menu items that should
moved to it. Then we can see the benefit.

Otherwise and because this is a huge change in Writer UI, we should try to
avoid this.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131182] new menu item: DOCUMENT, or a new sub-menu item FILES / Outline (enhancement, development)

2020-03-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131182

Dieter  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||dgp-m...@gmx.de
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO

--- Comment #2 from Dieter  ---
Difference between File and Document wouldn't be clear (at least it isn't clear
for me). Could you please give a definition for File and Document that makes a
clear distinction?

=> NEEDINFO

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131182] new menu item: DOCUMENT, or a new sub-menu item FILES / Outline (enhancement, development)

2020-03-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131182

--- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Would never search for export anywhere else but File. And I don't see another
root item to improve anything, plus there are likely not enough items for this
category. Other opinions?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131182] new menu item: DOCUMENT, or a new sub-menu item FILES / Outline (enhancement, development)

2020-03-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131182

Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||85811
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org
   Keywords||needsUXEval


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85811
[Bug 85811] [META] Main menu bar bugs and enhancements
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