[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 --- Comment #15 from Regina Henschel --- Created attachment 166122 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=166122&action=edit Suggestion how to get the desired visual appearance with current tools A feature request would go to "office-comment" list, see https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=office#feedback But the ODF TC will not add a feature to the standard, which is nowhere implemented. The standard has the "extended" mode, to allow implementors to add features in addition to that what is available in the current "strict" mode. To get the quotation marks smaller do this: Mark the quotation mark, then use Format > Character... On tab "Position" in that dialog, set "Superscript" and clear "Automatic". Set "Raise/lower by" and "Relative font size" to suitable values. A relative font size of 70% and a raise by 35% might work for a 2-line Drop Cap. To get the line start shifted, so that the character after the quotation mark is optical in line with the further lines of the paragraph, use a negative first line indent. That is on tab "Indent&Spacing" in the paragraph style dialog. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 --- Comment #14 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Clarc from comment #13) > Or should I try to file a feature request at the makers of .odt? Are they > open to such suggestions? Regina, how to file a feature request at OASIS? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 --- Comment #13 from Clarc --- So there'll straight up never be a way to properly typeset a Chapter in a novel that 1. Uses Drop Caps 2. Starts with speech 3. Doesn't look horrendous? Or should I try to file a feature request at the makers of .odt? Are they open to such suggestions? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #7) > ... it is trivial otherwise to assign a typographically rich > Character Style (or two) to the leading character or words including > punctuation of the text run in a paragraph. The CS doesn't make the character spans multiple lines as drop caps does. Drop caps are defined in the open document format [1] and we have to stick to this for compatibility. So WF. What you can do is to apply a superscript CS to the first character(s) of your drop caps, looks terrible however. [1] http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1416500_253892949 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 --- Comment #11 from Adolfo Jayme --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #7) > It is convenient of course to just tic a box on the Paragraph style Drop > Caps tab--but it is trivial otherwise to assign a typographically rich > Character Style (or two) to the leading character or words including > punctuation of the text run in a paragraph. And to reuse character style(s) > on subsequent paragraphs. I would favor this checkbox solution, with it being enabled by default and labeled something like "Account for quotation marks" and accepting all characters with the Unicode/ICU property "UCHAR_QUOTATION_MARK". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 --- Comment #10 from Clarc --- > Created attachment 165787 [details] > Drop caps Unfortunately, this lacks the (normal looking) quotation mark. > You cannot have extra characters in front (without applying the same format). That's the main problem. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 --- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze --- Created attachment 165787 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=165787&action=edit Drop caps (In reply to Clarc from comment #8) > Am I unaware of crucial features? Stuart talks about Paragraph properties/style > Drop Cap > Is it possible to create a big character that drops down multiple lines, > makes the text flow around it and incorporate this > (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70180) functionality > without using drop Caps? You can use a special character style. You cannot have extra characters in front (without applying the same format). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 --- Comment #8 from Clarc --- Am I unaware of crucial features? Is it possible to create a big character that drops down multiple lines, makes the text flow around it and incorporate this (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70180) functionality without using drop Caps? IF the user is supposed to use the Drop Caps paragraph style, how is the user supposed to use character styles?? 1. Changing Attributes such as character size of the style used in one of the Drop-Caps-letters, is really buggy. Size 12 still is being displayed enormously. Letters are cut off, force adjacent letters to be tiny, etc. 2. If the user is supposed to write letters BEFORE the grey Drop-Caps-box, how can he do that? I have not found a way to accomplish this feat. 3. If the user has to completely recreate Drop Caps via character styles, what good is the Drop Caps option in the paragraph-settings? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu Blocks|107642 |109316 --- Comment #7 from V Stuart Foote --- Actually ODF supports it fine, just the ODF 1.3 "Canned" paragraph Drop Cap [1] remains limited in composing the style:drop-cap It is convenient of course to just tic a box on the Paragraph style Drop Caps tab--but it is trivial otherwise to assign a typographically rich Character Style (or two) to the leading character or words including punctuation of the text run in a paragraph. And to reuse character style(s) on subsequent paragraphs. Such character styling can be captured into templates for reuse. Adjusting the LO instance of "style:length word" attribute syntax to include preceding punctuation might also be possible. But would diverge from ODF 1.3 norm. But IMHO => WF as reasonable function applying character style to text runs is already provided. =-ref-= [1] https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument/v1.3/cs01/part3-schema/OpenDocument-v1.3-cs01-part3-schema.html#element-style_drop-cap Providing attributes: distance, length, lines & style-name Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107642 [Bug 107642] [META] Paragraph dialog bugs and enhancements https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109316 [Bug 109316] [META] Drop caps bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 --- Comment #6 from Clarc --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5) > Not sure that we can add this to the document. Keep in mind LibreOffice is > restricted to the open standard of ODF, which has to allow settings so it > would be available at any application using this format. Also consider that > such an option, if new, would fail on round-trips with MSO. This is not an uncommon issue when using Drop Caps in a novel/fiction book. If the odf. Format does not support this, it might be a good idea to correct this missing feature. (Which - I know - is not LO's job. It's still something important though.) > Don't get #3 but it's likely similar - if you can do > manually please keep the application simple. #3 is pretty much "Create a Character-Style for the character in front of the big Drop Caps letter, that then can be edited, just the same way you can edit the Drop Caps character style." > I'm against any automatic if-then complexity. 1. I don't think it would be that complex... The user can decide whether to use this feature and which Symbols should be skipped. 2. Also, how would you go about properly editing the Quotation marks? I have tried, but it doesn't work properly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||rb.hensc...@t-online.de --- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze --- Not sure that we can add this to the document. Keep in mind LibreOffice is restricted to the open standard of ODF, which has to allow settings so it would be available at any application using this format. Also consider that such an option, if new, would fail on round-trips with MSO. Regina, what do you think? Requests 2.1 & 2.2 can be solved with a special paragraph style. Although you have to apply it manually (or per macro) I'm against any automatic if-then complexity. Don't get #3 but it's likely similar - if you can do manually please keep the application simple. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 --- Comment #4 from Clarc --- > PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks. That is the main goal, but there might be other possibilities as well. This is why having more options (and options to style the quotation mark individually) is important. When implementing this, it's important to remember that there are many different forms of quotation marks. Just copying some common ones from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark): “Asdf” "Asdf" ‘Asdf’ 'Asdf' «Asdf» 「Asdf」 ‚Asdf‘ „Asdf“ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 136049] PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve Drop Caps to make them work with quotation marks.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval Blocks||107642 CC||dgp-m...@gmx.de, ||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org Summary|Improve Drop Caps to make |PARAGRAPH DIALOG: Improve |them work with quotation|Drop Caps to make them work |marks. |with quotation marks. --- Comment #3 from Dieter --- I support that idea. Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107642 [Bug 107642] [META] Paragraph dialog bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
