[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||afs...@libreoffice.ir --- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze --- *** Bug 153084 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||0446 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org Keywords|needsUXEval | --- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze --- We discussed this topic in the design meeting. "Inner" is welcome and could be enhanced with Left for LTR and right for RTL to make users easily understand the term. "Inner (Left)" vs. "Inner (Right)" The radio buttons as suggested in comment 9 would be helpful too. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 --- Comment #10 from Miklos Vajna --- The code is meant to do this: - by default, always on the left - if you have mirrored layout, you get inner/outer, and the gutter margin is the inner margin - RTL is about swapping the left/right - if you want to have it at the top, then mirrored/RTL has no effect Feel free to tweak the UI if you think a checkbox is better, though keep in mind that Word has the same listbox, so that's what is familiar to users. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 --- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze --- There is also the weird "Gutter on right side" option, which would turn inside out (if it worked). Weird because more reasonable it would be done as radio button with "Gutter Position" as "Side" instead of "Left" and (o) Left ( ) Right as options below. Now I wonder if the binding of mirrored pages is done outside in case of RTL languages. And in respect to Stuart's comment 5, what binding could be meant when mirrored is active but gutters are on top? For the documentation part I'd appreciate to see this cheat sheet incorporated into the documentation https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/PageElementSizeRelations -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 --- Comment #8 from Dieter --- (In reply to Miklos Vajna from comment #7) > It is meant to match the Word behavior: "The page gutter defines the amount > of extra space added to the specified margin, above any existing margin > values." Thank you for explanation, but I still dopn't understand the practical relevance for such a feature and the term "gutter" is used in a different way than in the world outside "word". I wonder, if LO should go with this. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 --- Comment #7 from Miklos Vajna --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #3) > Miklos, could you explain the idea behind a current behaviour (there is no > definition of gutter margin in your blog > https://vmiklos.hu/blog/sw-gutter-margin.html) and perhaps design-team has > idea for a solution It is meant to match the Word behavior: "The page gutter defines the amount of extra space added to the specified margin, above any existing margin values." -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 --- Comment #6 from Regina Henschel --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #5) > (In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #1) > > Besides the wrong term, it should be considered to disable the position > > field at all in case of "Mirrored" page layout. A position "Top" makes no > > sense. A "Mirrored" page layout is designed to have the gutter always in the > > middle, at the inside margins. > > No, it depends on intended binding -- a mirrored page would be left/right > (inner reversed for LTR/RTL locale) OR top/bottom--mirroring is done when > bound on either the vertical inner edge or across the horizontal top. > > Consider for example a ledger of landscape pages, or a wall calendar. When > bound, the upper and lower pages need symmetrical/mirrored layout also. A > binding gutter accommodates the print layout when bound. I mean the page layout type "mirrored", not the fact, that the intended binding needs different margins for upper/lower or left/right pages. The layout type "mirrored" provides an automatic switch of layout for left and right pages, and it effects only left and right margins. Using page layout type "mirrored" makes no sense, if you want to bind at top/bottom as used for calendars. In that case you need to use the layout "right" and "left", because a "right" page needs different margin settings for top and bottom than a "left" page. Actually they are then not "right" or "left" in that use case but "upper" and "lower". An automatic alternating different margin on top and bottom is not possible with current implementation. In case you use page layout "mirrored", the additional space by gutter position "top" will be only applied to (LTR) right pages. In case you use page layout "only right" and "only left", the additional space will be always applied to top margin, whereas the binding would need it alternating on top and bottom margin. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu --- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #1) > Besides the wrong term, it should be considered to disable the position > field at all in case of "Mirrored" page layout. A position "Top" makes no > sense. A "Mirrored" page layout is designed to have the gutter always in the > middle, at the inside margins. No, it depends on intended binding -- a mirrored page would be left/right (inner reversed for LTR/RTL locale) OR top/bottom--mirroring is done when bound on either the vertical inner edge or across the horizontal top. Consider for example a ledger of landscape pages, or a wall calendar. When bound, the upper and lower pages need symmetrical/mirrored layout also. A binding gutter accommodates the print layout when bound. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added CC||luke.kend...@gmail.com --- Comment #4 from Dieter --- *** Bug 144539 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org, ||vmik...@collabora.com --- Comment #3 from Dieter --- Bug 144539 gave some references to proof the wrong name https://www.abaa.org/glossary/entry/gutter or https://www.printivity.com/insights/2019/05/18/how-to-design-for-gutter-margins/ or any number of other sites, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookbinding Reading LO Help [1] I also don't understand this feature at all, or some informations are missing. Gutter margin in LO is not the margin between left edge of a page and text area, but the margin between left margin and text area. Miklos, could you explain the idea behind a current behaviour (there is no definition of gutter margin in your blog https://vmiklos.hu/blog/sw-gutter-margin.html) and perhaps design-team has idea for a solution cc: Design Team cc: Miklos Vajna [1] https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-GB/text/shared/01/05040200.html?System=WIN=WRITER=cui/ui/pageformatpage/PageFormatPage#bm_id3149877 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Ever confirmed|0 |1 Whiteboard| QA:needsComment| CC||dgp-m...@gmx.de Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Blocks||103304 --- Comment #2 from Dieter --- I confirm it with Version: 7.2.0.0.alpha0+ (x64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: 28555fc345ac2ccdda0e4e0f3c812c646befe68b CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: en-GB Calc: CL Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103304 [Bug 103304] [META] Page style dialog bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 QA Administrators changed: What|Removed |Added Whiteboard|| QA:needsComment -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 --- Comment #1 from Regina Henschel --- Besides the wrong term, it should be considered to disable the position field at all in case of "Mirrored" page layout. A position "Top" makes no sense. A "Mirrored" page layout is designed to have the gutter always in the middle, at the inside margins. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 140561] wrong term for gutter position in mirrored page layout
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140561 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||140575 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140575 [Bug 140575] [META] Gutter margin bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
