[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142724] In "Asian Phonetic Guide" dialog, Options in "Position" drop-down menu are mislabeled.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142724 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Component|Linguistic |UI Severity|trivial |enhancement CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org Keywords|needsUXEval | --- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze --- So let's introduce STR* variables and fill the menus dynamically. We could change the default to "Left/Top" to draw attention on this modification, though this means more work for the translators. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142724] In "Asian Phonetic Guide" dialog, Options in "Position" drop-down menu are mislabeled.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142724 --- Comment #7 from sophie --- (In reply to Ming Hua from comment #4) > (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3) > > Sure, RTL/LTR was just an example where we could find a "compromise" with > > odd/even instead of left/right. I cannot think of such solution for > > top/bottom other than translating "left" in terms of "top". That's why I set > > NOB, but feel free to reopen with a suggestion. > I see. But if you understood the problem properly, why would you dismiss > the simple "top" => "top/right" and "bottom" => "bottom/left" suggestion by > the reporter? Sounds a reasonable, if non-elegant, compromise to me. I agree with Ming here, this is a reasonable and less confusing solution than having labels in the UI not reflecting what they should do. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142724] In "Asian Phonetic Guide" dialog, Options in "Position" drop-down menu are mislabeled.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142724 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98 ||211 --- Comment #6 from V Stuart Foote --- OK, but conext sensitivity/translation would have to be encoded per locale--not just the Western / CJK / CTL mode of the language. See also bug 98211 worked through similar for the Paragraph 'Last line' handling. Language neutral labeling vs. overhead of doing language sensitive context for paragraph text layout modes LRTB, RLTB, TBRL, TBLR would be great--and of course we can't support the BTLR of the few SouthEast Asian scripts that support it. Absent that, the inelegant "top/right" and "bottom/left" would be perfectly acceptable to hard code for this dialog. As a reminder for those interested there was Frank Oberle's treatise on our issues with handling script and locales-- see attachements to bug 92655 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142724] In "Asian Phonetic Guide" dialog, Options in "Position" drop-down menu are mislabeled.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142724 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|NOTOURBUG |--- Ever confirmed|0 |1 Status|RESOLVED|NEW --- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Ming Hua from comment #4) > ...but disagree with NOTABUG/NOTOURBUG. The idea was to have the conditional formatting with the translation. Drawback here is that using different UI and document languages is not a far-fetched use case. The unelegant solution of left/top is very confusing to ordinary, non-asian users. I'd do it via code. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142724] In "Asian Phonetic Guide" dialog, Options in "Position" drop-down menu are mislabeled.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142724 --- Comment #4 from Ming Hua --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3) > Sure, RTL/LTR was just an example where we could find a "compromise" with > odd/even instead of left/right. I cannot think of such solution for > top/bottom other than translating "left" in terms of "top". That's why I set > NOB, but feel free to reopen with a suggestion. I see. But if you understood the problem properly, why would you dismiss the simple "top" => "top/right" and "bottom" => "bottom/left" suggestion by the reporter? Sounds a reasonable, if non-elegant, compromise to me. A more elegant solution would be making the labels context aware, and having them changing from "top" to "right" when in vertical layout, just like the toolbar icons do. But that would be a lot more work. I would perfectly understand a WONTFIX status, but disagree with NOTABUG/NOTOURBUG. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142724] In "Asian Phonetic Guide" dialog, Options in "Position" drop-down menu are mislabeled.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142724 --- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze --- Sure, RTL/LTR was just an example where we could find a "compromise" with odd/even instead of left/right. I cannot think of such solution for top/bottom other than translating "left" in terms of "top". That's why I set NOB, but feel free to reopen with a suggestion. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142724] In "Asian Phonetic Guide" dialog, Options in "Position" drop-down menu are mislabeled.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142724 --- Comment #2 from Ming Hua --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #1) > I think this needs to be solved in the translation. Cannot think of a > generic terminology like odd/even instead of left/right pages regarding LTR > vs RTL. It has nothing to do with RTL. (In reply to Petro Ding from comment #0) > 1. Set the page's text direction to "Right-to-left (vertical)"; to do this, > select "Format > Page Style > Page > Paper Format > Text Direction > > Right-to-left (vertical)". The text direction relevant here is "Right-to-left (vertical)", which means text flows vertically, from top to bottom, then the rows (text lines? columns?) are arranged from right to left. (The terminology is indeed confusing, which probably should be another bug.) This is the traditional text direction for Chinese and Japanese. There are also scripts that write vertically, but lines are arranged from left to right, such as traditional Mongolian (also called Hudum script). So here the problem is that Chinese/Japanese text can be horizontal or vertical, and there are plenty of UI parts that are aware of this difference and change accordingly (indent icons on toolbar, for example), but the Asian Phonetic Guide dialog simply doesn't, and always assume horizontal text direction. To reiterate, this is not the left/right difference that RTL languages usually have with UI, but horizontal/vertical difference (likely) specific to CJK. And both directions are used in the same language, therefore the problem exists for English UI as well. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142724] In "Asian Phonetic Guide" dialog, Options in "Position" drop-down menu are mislabeled.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142724 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||so...@libreoffice.org Component|Writer |Linguistic Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |NOTOURBUG --- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze --- I think this needs to be solved in the translation. Cannot think of a generic terminology like odd/even instead of left/right pages regarding LTR vs RTL. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142724] In "Asian Phonetic Guide" dialog, Options in "Position" drop-down menu are mislabeled.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142724 Ming Hua changed: What|Removed |Added CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org, ||ming.v@qq.com Blocks||50607 Keywords||needsUXEval Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50607 [Bug 50607] [META] Asian Phonetic Guide ( Ruby ) issues -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
