[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #14 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #13) > and that means, for empty character, ... Sorry, a typo: should be "and that means, for empty paragraph" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #13 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #12) > > and that implied for empty paragraphs to move when pressing enter > > in that empty paragraph. > > But why is this a necessary behaviour? It is not "necessary"; it is just how anchor to character is defined (the anchor is a special invisible "character" that is inserted *before* the anchored-to actual character); and that means, for empty character, that the inserted anchor is *before* ... what? it's before the paragraph end, which serves the anchoring point in this case. So when you put a cursor into an empty paragraph, it is *after* paragraph start, and *before* paragraph end; when you press Enter, you logically insert a "paragraph end - paragraph start" pair in the place where your cursor is, moving the existing old paragraph end to the following new paragraph; and since that moved paragraph end is the anchoring point, the anchored object moves accordingly. But it is of course possible to special-case it as much as wanted ... just some clear unambiguous and non-confusing specification of expected behavior is needed. > But I'm not a developer and I don't > have to understand in detail. I just can't imagine, that a user expects, > that new paragraphs are inserted above an image, if he presses enter in a > paragraph below that image. This is illogical. You are talking about the image being "above" paragraphs - and here you mix the anchoring with the orthogonal positioning; an image anchored to this character may be above or below, may have a fixed position on page, etc. This is not relevant to the discussion. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #12 from Dieter --- I understand, that initial bug report is misleading. So, to be more precise: Steps to Reproduce: 1. Create a Writer Document and change style of first paragraph to "Heading 1" (not necessary, but makes more visible what's happening" 2. Insert an image. Anchor of image is "To Character" (Although it is not clear to me, what character is in an empty paragraph) 3. Set cursor to first paragraph. 4. Press Enter key several times. Actual Results: Anchor "To Chracter" is part of the new paragraph (still don't know what character) and image moves down. Expected Results: Anchor "To Character" should be still part of same paragraph (I assume, that - at least in normal text - a character is always part of a paragraph). (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #6) > The behavior of > to-character-anchored objects is actually to move *with its character* > position, No problem with that > and that implied for empty paragraphs to move when pressing enter > in that empty paragraph. But why is this a necessary behaviour? But I'm not a developer and I don't have to understand in detail. I just can't imagine, that a user expects, that new paragraphs are inserted above an image, if he presses enter in a paragraph below that image. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #11 from Aron Budea --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #8) > Perhaps my initial comment was not well formulated, but I've never talked > about anchor "To Paragraph". It's of course anchor "To Character", but > character is obviously part of a paragraph. You specifically mentioned paragraph in comment 4: "paragraph doesn't move, but anchor changes to new paragraph". The anchor doesn't change to the new paragraph, the anchor moves with the caret, just like a character after the anchor would move to the new paragraph if you hit Enter with the caret before it. Also, if you set the anchor to To Character manually between steps 2 and 3 from the description, the behavior is the same in LO 3.3.0. Therefore this isn't a regression. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #10 from Dieter --- (In reply to Aron Budea from comment #7) > Dieter, the image isn't anchored to a paragraph, but to character, as Mike > has explained it. If you want to extend the description to include adjusting > to To Paragraph anchoring, this is a duplicate of bug 146443. Perhaps my initial comment was not well formulated, but I've never talked about anchor "To Paragraph". It's of course anchor "To Character", but character is obviously part of a paragraph. So I still think, that - from a user perspektive - it's an unexpected result. At least for the reason of consistency, you should get same result with an empty paragraph and a paragraph containing one character. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #9 from Dieter --- (In reply to Aron Budea from comment #7) > Dieter, the image isn't anchored to a paragraph, but to character, as Mike > has explained it. If you want to extend the description to include adjusting > to To Paragraph anchoring, this is a duplicate of bug 146443. Perhaps my initial comment was not well formulated, but I've never talked about anchor "To Paragraph". It's of course anchor "To Character", but character is obviously part of a paragraph. So I still think, that - from a user perspektive - it's an unexpected result. At least for the reason of consistency, you should get same result with an empty paragraph and a paragraph containing one character. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 ||2948 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #8 from Dieter --- (In reply to Aron Budea from comment #7) > Dieter, the image isn't anchored to a paragraph, but to character, as Mike > has explained it. If you want to extend the description to include adjusting > to To Paragraph anchoring, this is a duplicate of bug 146443. Perhaps my initial comment was not well formulated, but I've never talked about anchor "To Paragraph". It's of course anchor "To Character", but character is obviously part of a paragraph. So I still think, that - from a user perspektive - it's an unexpected result. At least for the reason of consistency, you should get same result with an empty paragraph and a paragraph containing one character. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #7 from Aron Budea --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #6) > Also excuse for the not completely correct phrase above. The behavior of > to-character-anchored objects is actually to move *with its character* > position, and that implied for empty paragraphs to move when pressing enter > in that empty paragraph. > > That doesn't change things much, just a clarification of #1. It does, as Dieter's comments are all related to paragraphs, eg.: > (In reply to Dieter from comment #4) > > But problem is, that paragraph doesn't move Dieter, the image isn't anchored to a paragraph, but to character, as Mike has explained it. If you want to extend the description to include adjusting to To Paragraph anchoring, this is a duplicate of bug 146443. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #6 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #4) > (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #3) > > That made images follow what was *always* the behavior of > > "to character"-anchored objects, which was move with its paragraph. > > But problem is, that paragraph doesn't move Also excuse for the not completely correct phrase above. The behavior of to-character-anchored objects is actually to move *with its character* position, and that implied for empty paragraphs to move when pressing enter in that empty paragraph. That doesn't change things much, just a clarification of #1. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 --- Comment #5 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #4) > But problem is, that paragraph doesn't move This is just a flaky definition of "paragraph move" concept. See bug 120469 comment 4. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146445] Anchor of image moves to next paragraph when type Enter key at original (empty) paragraph
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|Anchor of image moves to|Anchor of image moves to |next paragraph when type|next paragraph when type |Enter key at original |Enter key at original |paragraph |(empty) paragraph --- Comment #4 from Dieter --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #3) > 1. In 7.0 (and backported to 6.4), there was > https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/a7528cd6f17ea5c5b29e7d607e54c62de0d9e7db, > that explicitly aimed to anchor inserted images *to character* (as opposed > to previous "to paragraph", with an intermediate "as character" moment > during the development phase). That made images follow what was *always* the > behavior of "to character"-anchored objects, which was move with its > paragraph. Thanks for quick response and explanation. But problem is, that paragraph doesn't move, but anchor changes to new paragraph. I think this is only a problem in empty paragraphs (see further explanations in bug 146443 comment 7. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
