[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2023-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147834

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--- Comment #11 from Dieter  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #10)
> The whole point I'm making is that we're not talking about _always_ here,
> we're talking the niche case of styles with a different Next style. That's
> the case you have a contra-indication of your wanting DF to continue. Not
> the default case.

As Heiko explained in comment 6 actual rule is: "If you DF until the end of the
paragraph this formatting will be kept." You think it should be changed in the
case of a style with different next style.

I also don't agree with this proposal, because it would lead to inconsistency
and I'm sure, that somebody will report this as a bug and discussion would
start again.

Heiko, is it possible to discuss this topic in a design meeting and come to a
final decision?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

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--- Comment #10 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #8)
> The ticket boils down to the question how DF should be handled. Do you 
> always want etc.

The whole point I'm making is that we're not talking about _always_ here, we're
talking the niche case of styles with a different Next style. That's the case
you have a contra-indication of your wanting DF to continue. Not the default
case.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Timur  ---
As explained, NAB.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The ticket boils down to the question how DF should be handled. Do you always
want to format after input or keep the current formatting until it is changed.
We decided to go with the second option: if you DF until the end of the
paragraph this formatting will be kept.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6)
> Direct formatting is continued until it ends.

But it shouldn't, if the style changes.

> For example, if you click bold and type the letters are bold.

It is actually quite likely that you do _not_ want the emboldened part of,
saying, a Heading 1, to continue into an emboldened Default Paragraph Text or
Text Body etc. But with something like boldface, it's only quite likely, while
with numbering and bulletting - it is essentially a certainty. I challenge you
to find a valid use case to the contrary.

> If you define a paragraph to be a list the next paragraph takes this DF.

But the user doesn't want it to. Certainly for numbering, arguably for other
DF.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
CustomStyle1 has no list style but you assign it manually, CustomStyle2 uses
"Numbering 123". Both styles are followed by the Default PS (with no LS). 

Direct formatting is continued until it ends. For example, if you click bold
and type the letters are bold. If you define a paragraph to be a list the next
paragraph takes this DF. That's different to a list attribute at the PS.

List numbering continues at the next (or later) paragraphs unless you restart
the numbering. Different LS have their individual numbering.

By using DF numbering for CustomStyle2 (meaning you click twice the "Toggle
Ordered List F12" item in the toolbar, to first unset any list and second use
the LS which comes with this command) you get the next number following what is
used in the first section (list with CustomStyle1).

=> NAB

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> If you are in a list you likely want to continue, so the next style is
> the list again.

This is true if your paragraph's style does not have a different style as its
Next. When that is the case, you have indicated to LO your intent to
_discontinue_ the semantic and stylistic sequence once you break for the next
paragraph. For example: If a Heading is numbered, one would not assume the
non-heading text after it should be numbered. And that's true whether all of
the same-style headings are numbered, or just the one heading.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
Created attachment 178763
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=178763=edit
Document illustrating the issue

In the attached document, we have two numbered paragraphs, in CustomStyle1 and
in CustomStyle2. The CustomStyle1 style isn't inherently numbered, it's just
the specific paragraph that was explicitly numbered. They both have the Default
Paragraph Style as their Next style.

When we press Enter at the end of the CustomStyle1 paragraph, the numbering
continues;  when we press Enter at the end of the CustomStyle2 paragraph, the
numbering does not continue.

I believe it makes much more sense for the numbering should be discontinued for
the CustomStyle1 paragraph as well.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Please attach a sample document using paragraph styles that illustrates the
issue. In fact different PS are attached to individual lists (see also the
Styles Inspector). Please consider also what style follows to the current PS.
If you are in a list you likely want to continue, so the next style is the list
again.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147834] When 'next' style is different, clear numbering and bulleting

2022-03-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #1 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
Perhaps I should qualify my opening comment... I think the next paragraph only
currently inherits the current paragraph's bulleting/numbering if it's a list
style that's not the one associated with the paragraph style. Otherwise the
list style is reset/removed IIANM.

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