[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 156696] REQUEST ! for algorithm changing presentation format ( screen ) to Printing format ( paper )

2023-09-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #15 from Karl  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #13)
> Karl, what is missing (see comment 7)? Regina, if you plan to discuss the
> issue further on the German ML, please report here for transparency.
> Removing UX for now.


Hi Heiko & Regina & etc.

too much to me ( especially in english / dont mind me // this )

I feel assured

you got some " discrepancy " on 
" formatting changes ". 


what will ever occour, if one has a presentation ( live with screen )
and that one likes to hand out a printed document ( to reed afterwards ).

...
 too much to me to question about
 to be UX-advised 

best regards to all of you.
karl ( who is in real Jürgen )

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 156696] REQUEST ! for algorithm changing presentation format ( screen ) to Printing format ( paper )

2023-09-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Karl, what is missing (see comment 7)? Regina, if you plan to discuss the issue
further on the German ML, please report here for transparency. Removing UX for
now.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 156696] REQUEST ! for algorithm changing presentation format ( screen ) to Printing format ( paper )

2023-09-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Karl  ---
Hi,
can I 
confirm ?

HOW get i out, if the developers are integrated ?

THANX

regards to BEST !

karl

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 156696] REQUEST ! for algorithm changing presentation format ( screen ) to Printing format ( paper )

2023-09-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Karl  ---
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Line with measurment

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 156696] REQUEST ! for algorithm changing presentation format ( screen ) to Printing format ( paper )

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--- Comment #8 from Karl  ---
Hallo

Ein Problem tritt auf, 
wenn man z.B. ein Element z.B. LINIE anlegt
UND dazu BEMASSUNGS-ELEMENT ( wie in Technischen Zeichnungen ) anlegt.


DA erkennt man den Effekt der (?) Transition von einem in das andere Format (
Bildschirm -> Ausdruck )

-> siehe upload LO-BUG-Scaling

IMHO:
=

Während der Designphase werden die Elemente in " ihrem Format " angelegt.

ANDERS ( so vermute ich ) in LO NICHT wie ( vermute ich ) in einem CAD System (
etwa AutoCAD ) in einem " INTERNEN FORMAT " 
( vielleicht auch evtl. in  TEX // Latex )

sondern " dieses Formal ist dann der " unterste Daten- und Element - Layer "!

IN AutoCAD // TEX // Latex ( so vermute ich )

WÜRDEN die Elemente " auf die AUSGABE ( Bildschirm / Papier ) "
RAUF- oder RUNTER - Scaliert.

-
Allerdings NUR die Optische Darstellung !
NICHT die Eigenschaft ( z.B. LÄNGE )

Behauptung :: 
AutoCAD würde eine Strecke von 10 Metern auch auf Papier 
( herunterscaliert auf Din A4 )
mit 10 Metern bemassen !



IN Impress ( ggfs. auch in Writer / etc. ) jedenfalls 
werden die OBJEKTE ( Abmessungen / etc. ) 

SELBST MODIFIZIERT !

ES findet NICHT STATT,
dass von der EDITOR PHASE bei beliebigem Screen Verhältnis

HIN ZUM AUSDRUCK
ein " ledigliches skalieren " für eben die Papieranpassung durchgeführt wird.



NOCH INTERESSANTER wird es, wenn währen der Design- // Editor - Phase,
das Format geändert wird.

DANN !!!
würde ich mit als sinnvoll vorstellen, dass 
( die Objekte sind in dem TIEFSTEN DATENMATERIAL // Eigenschaften im System )


DASS ( Daten // Eigenschaften ) 
diese EBENSO erhalten bleiben UND ggfs. AUSSERHALB des ( ich weiss jetzt kein
besseres Wort ) CANVAS sind. 
( kleine Erinnerung an T-Pascal )

BEST REGARDS
juergen































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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 156696] REQUEST ! for algorithm changing presentation format ( screen ) to Printing format ( paper )

2023-09-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
STR:
* add a shape with a size of 2 x 1cm
* change slide properties from landscape to portrait
  -> with "Fit object to paper format" the object size changes to 1,37 x 1,46
cm
  -> all shapes keep their size without the option; textboxes keep their
relative size resp. margins, which might be expected most often

First of all, this option is not persistent and will be checked the next time
this dialog opens. I doubt it works for printing. It's label and help is
unclear "Resizes the drawing objects so that they fit on the paper format that
you select. The arrangement of the drawing objects is preserved.", in
particular the "arrangement is preserved". Ideally we place the checkbox near
the paper format and disable it until attributes have changed.

Reginas rephrased the request to "Keep relative position to slide center.".
Makes sense to me. In fact the position changes from 1/2cm to 0.69/2.92cm if
the "Fit object" option is checked and I wonder what exactly is missing.

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #4)
> Dann lass uns das Problem doch auf us...@de.libreoffice.org diskutieren.
Do you plan to report back?

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--- Comment #6 from Buovjaga  ---
Let's summon the design team in case they have ideas. They know German, too.

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--- Comment #5 from Buovjaga  ---
*** Bug 156694 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 156696] REQUEST ! for algorithm changing presentation format ( screen ) to Printing format ( paper )

2023-08-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Regina Henschel  ---
(In reply to Karl from comment #2)
> Hi Regina,
> 
> mein Englisch ist nicht so besonders.
> 

Dann lass uns das Problem doch auf us...@de.libreoffice.org diskutieren.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language/LocalMailingLists#German

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--- Comment #3 from Karl  ---
HI,
i just checked your hint out.

I have centered a square in 16:9

and called the printing dialog:

I can see " in printing preview "

the moving of the square toward " upper ".

( with unchecked " anpassen an papierformat " ( oder so ).

gruss
juergen

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--- Comment #2 from Karl  ---
Hi Regina,

mein Englisch ist nicht so besonders.

Es ist das " vermeintliche Problem ", dass typischer Weise DRUCK- und
Presentationsformate ( Monitore / Beamer ) untzerschiedlich sein können, 
bzw. sind.

Ich benutze Impress NUR privat um manchmal Dokus / Infos zu speichern. 
Und vergesse jedes mal vorher auf Papierformat umzuschalten.

Die in " 16 : 9 " erstellte Presentation hat dann 
im Ausdruck auf Papier ein anderes Layout !


DAS möchten vielleicht auch Gewerbliche Anwender NICHT ?!


Ich fand einen " work arround ",
den ich gefunden habe ...


Ich werde mal sehen, ob ich " finde ::"

Slide > Slide Properties > tab Slide
Uncheck the option "Fit object to paper format". That is located on the right
side in section "Layout Settings". 

Danke für den Hinweis !

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The request here is to have an additional option "Keep relative position to
slide center." The current way is "Keep relative position to top-left corner of
slide".


JA - ICH DENKE SCHON !

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Weil man als erstes ERSTAUNT ist, dass z.B. die Zentrierung verloren geht.
ICH 
( in meinem Fall )
DACHTE : 
Hat das Windows 10 Update schon wieder DAS PRINTING ZERSCHOSSEN ? 

--

In wie weit z.B. Längen / Höhen von Objekten in den Slides VERLOREN gehen, 
wäre zu untersuchen ...


DA - WELTWEIT - unzählige Druck- / Papier formate existieren.
könnte jeweils ein " SHRINKING " von LO durchgeführt werden ??


==

JA !

Als DEFAULT CENTER / CENTER was nice if Elements were centered !

Wenn ich drüber nachdenke !!!

Wenn jemand " left side " anordnet ... WÄRE DER überrascht.
... right side - bottom - AS WELL !

==

Vielleicht wäre eine ABFRAGE " Wie wollen Sie es haben ? "

wenn der Druckdialog ( Papier allways different to screen )
aufgerufen wird, SINNVOLL ?




Ich denke, die Entwickler hätte da eine TIEFE MEDITATION drüber.

Vielen Dank für Ihren / Deinen Hinweis


Beste Gruesse 
juergen

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 156696] REQUEST ! for algorithm changing presentation format ( screen ) to Printing format ( paper )

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