[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 ady changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||8552 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC||heiko.tietze@documentfounda ||tion.org Ever confirmed|0 |1 Blocks||113113, 129661 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113113 [Bug 113113] [META] Sheet tabs bar bugs and enhancements https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129661 [Bug 129661] [META] Right-To-Left (RTL) user interface issues -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||safaalful...@hotmail.com --- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze --- *** Bug 100585 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 --- Comment #6 from ady --- I believe that tdf#157784 comment 21 is related to this bug 157961 rather than solving bug 157784 (so tdf#157784 would not be really "fixed" ATM, IMHO). Bug 157784 shows why I mentioned requiring feedback before rushing any specific "solution". Please forgive my verbosity; this RTL UX/UI situation has been inadequate for too long, so it requires precision in its description. Please consider the following UI aspects related to RTL worksheets (whether standalone or in combination with LTR worksheets): * location of worksheet name tabs: on the right side or on the left side of the UI; this bug 157961 requests the location of these tabs to be related to the UI language: ** left-sided for LTR UI, independent of the RTL worksheet setting ** right-sided for RTL UI, independent of the RTL worksheet setting * order of appearance (from left-to-right, or from right-to-left, or a combination depending on RTL setting of the current worksheet) of new/added worksheet tabs; * what specific worksheet tab is to be considered the "next"? And which is to be considered the "prior" worksheet tab? The order should not vary (i.e. independent on UI settings or on RTL settings), but maybe the location (right-to-left or left-to-right) would/should depend on UI language. For this to be clear, screenshots (of the goal) for RTL and LTR settings and UI languages should be attached. * location and direction of column headers for RTL worksheets; * location of row headers for RTL worksheets. For RTL users, this item is probably more related to RTL worksheet settings, rather than to UI language interface. As of 2023-11-02 Build ID: c0c8cffd3541e3cd616c96791b04e7ebf2b2ed03 for Windows, the location of the row headers seems related to the worksheet tab location (instead of being related to the column headers direction from RTL), and I believe that most RTL users won't enjoy this UX too much. Considering bug 157784, there seems to be need for reasonable new default behavior / UX according to UI language, and (unfortunately) some way to modify the location/direction of these items; after so many years, there is simply no way to satisfy all RTL users with a single unified uniform location of these 3 items and their respective behaviors for RTL worksheets (alone or in combination with LTR worksheets). Comparing with other spreadsheet tools regarding RTL worksheets might be useful in order to obtain a reasonable UX. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 --- Comment #5 from Eyal Rozenberg --- Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 2023-10-29 08:05:41 UTC : > this needs to be made consistent: > "UI jumping" should be reduced. In my (non RTL-UI user) opinion, > if it's only the sheet that is RTL, only the column headers > should be flipped, as it's the only part of the UI that _has_ to > flip to match the contents of the sheet. The rest of > surrounding UI should not change. So the Sheet Tabs should do > the same as e.g. the Formula Bar: its position and direction > should not change. These should only be dependent on the RTL UI > setting. Exactly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 Eyal Rozenberg changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED Resolution|DUPLICATE |--- --- Comment #4 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Stéphane Guillou (stragu) from comment #3) > I appreciate the clearer description, but as I understand it, the issue > described is exactly the same as in bug 100585. Bug 100585 is about the ordering sheet tabs. This is about the layout of the UI, including buttons, the position of the entire set of ordered tabs (left side or right side of the window) etc. Not a dupe. I thought this was clear, but - if you'd like screenshots, I can make them... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 Stéphane Guillou (stragu) changed: What|Removed |Added CC||stephane.guillou@libreoffic ||e.org Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Blocks|129661 | Keywords|needsUXEval | See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 | |0585| Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE --- Comment #3 from Stéphane Guillou (stragu) --- I appreciate the clearer description, but as I understand it, the issue described is exactly the same as in bug 100585. Let's have the conversation there. Marking as duplicate. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 100585 *** Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129661 [Bug 129661] [META] Right-To-Left (RTL) user interface issues -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 Eyal Rozenberg changed: What|Removed |Added Severity|enhancement |normal --- Comment #2 from Eyal Rozenberg --- Fair point about getting feedback, and it's true that this is long-standing behavior - but it's a long-standing _bug_. One of those things that's been wrong for so long that you just kind of got used to it... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 ady changed: What|Removed |Added Severity|normal |enhancement --- Comment #1 from ady --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0) > keep the sheet tabs area in the same > direction as the rest of the Calc UI. IOW (IIUC), the worksheet name tabs should be located on the UI to the left on LTR UI, while the tabs should be located to the right side of the UI on RTL UI, disregarding: * whether the worksheet is set RTL or LTR; * whether the name of the worksheet uses LTR or RTL text direction; * whether the content of the worksheet has LTR or RTL text direction in any cell. I would probably agree that the suggestion makes sense, but I am worried about older or advance users; since the current "jumping" behavior has been the behavior for such a long time, changing it now could be either desirable or unwanted, depending on users' workflow. Perhaps feedback from RTL users is very relevant before the behavior is changed, and if/when it is, it should be promptly and clearly advertised beforehand. I also recall that there are other bugs related to the worksheet (name) tabs in RTL UI, such as moving by keyboard shortcuts. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 157961] Sheet tab selection area UI direction flipped based on sheet direction
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157961 Eyal Rozenberg changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||129661 See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||7784, ||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 ||0585 Keywords||needsUXEval Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129661 [Bug 129661] [META] Right-To-Left (RTL) user interface issues -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
