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--- Comment #57 from stragu  ---
This has been fixed by Michael Stahl with the following commit:

https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/56d8007a197b095b09423c691a51515567648e80%5E%21

Tested in:

Version: 7.3.0.0.alpha0+ / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: cd2b5168e8ef1cb6e721bc5220421464ed723096
CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 4.15; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3
Locale: en-AU (en_AU.UTF-8); UI: en-US
TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb-x86_64@86-TDF, Branch:master, Time:
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--- Comment #55 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Timur from comment #54)

László Németh had implemented the change for tdf#112195 -
https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/f006b6339e20af6a3fbd60d97d21590d4ebf5021 -
and then it was reported in release notes for this bug:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.3#Writer.

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Summary|Allow page background to|Allow page background to
   |cover the whole page, not   |cover the whole page, not
   |only within page|only within page
   |borders/margins |borders/margins (workaround
   ||in comment 33)
 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED

--- Comment #54 from Timur  ---
Sorry, but I open again. Surely this is not status Fixed, because Fixed means
specific commit,so it was more appropriate for WFM. 
But from comments it more looks like there is a workaround and not real
solution.

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--- Comment #53 from Regina Henschel  ---
This is indeed incomplete in regard to ODF 1.3. Therefor TDF has put it into
the tender
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/10/20/tender-to-finish-transition-of-libreoffice-to-odf-1-3-odf-1-3-delta-202010-01/

Hopefully we get an offer for it.

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--- Comment #52 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Fede from comment #51)

QED. Exactly what was discussed in comment 48.
Please File a bug report, with a keyword "regression", and put this bug to "See
Also" in the new bug.

My own opinion is that we need a policy of automatic revert of any such change
without a compatibility option and without an explicit ESC approval.

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--- Comment #51 from Fede  ---
So the solution to this "bug" has been breaking backward compatibility,
disallowing previous behaviour, and making shadows weird if no border.

So borders and shadows refer to the text area, but background refers to the
entire page. It makes no much sense to me (maybe because it breaks some
documents I was using).

Just in case I have misunderstood something: is there currently a way to get a
white margin, a coloured text area, and a projected shadow? If not, I'm not
sure that SOLVED FIXED is the proper state for this issue.

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--- Comment #50 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Thomas Lendo from comment #49)

No, that's different: you are proposing a new way of doing a desired effect;
I'm taking about not breaking existing documents.

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--- Comment #49 from Thomas Lendo  ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #48)
For such reason I opened bug 122511 'Thicker border line than 9 pt or 5 cm'.
The other See also bugs there are maybe important too.

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--- Comment #48 from Mike Kaganski  ---
FTR: IMO implementing such a high-impact change without a compatibility option
to allow existing documents to stay intact is *wrong*. And now there's a
real-life question about this:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/208634/white-margins

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--- Comment #47 from Lenge  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #46)
> it's not at all uncommon in LibreOffice dev that issues are marked as
> resolved with initial solutions, and that follow up issues are created and
> resolved for further improvements, better solutions.
Ok, here we go: Bug 112195

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--- Comment #46 from Cor Nouws  ---
it's not at all uncommon in LibreOffice dev that issues are marked as
resolved with initial solutions, and that follow up issues are created and
resolved for further improvements, better solutions.
So arguing if this one is fixed or not, is not really more than bike-shedding
;)

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--- Comment #45 from mail...@kevinshenk.com ---
Agreed! It's not fixed until it's fixed.

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--- Comment #44 from Lenge  ---
I'd like to request to keep this issue open until

(1) a true solution to the initial request becomes available (in terms of
extending the ODF format to support full-page backgrounds including page
margins), or at least

(2) the proposed workaround (replacing page margins with padding/"Spacing to
Contents") no longer suffers from bug 111779. This is especially important as
there seem to be controversial opinions on whether this should be fixed or not.

In the meantime, I wouldn't really consider this "resolved fixed". What do you
think?

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--- Comment #43 from Yan Pas  ---
Created attachment 135628
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abiword files

I've created both files in abiword. Libreoffice cannot open ODT with picture
bg. But it opens odt with color bg. Margins are still white, seems like abiword
displays them differently.

Despite ODT I guess we should display DOCX (and maybe other exotic formats too)
correctly too. In other words LO should support drawing background on the whole
paper. Seems like it's hard programming task if it is inherited from
OpenOffice.

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--- Comment #42 from Regina Henschel  ---
Currently the background color is in the "fo" namespace (which belongs to XSL)
and most of the properties refer to CSS. And in CSS you have a box model. That
result e.g. in:
margin left, border left, padding left, content, padding right, border right,
margin right.
And in CSS the margin has to be always transparent.

I have some ideas how to get it to file, see bug 103602. Therefore I'm
interested in the file from Abiword. It would be nice to get a file with solid
color, a file with image, and a file with gradient or hatching, if Abiword is
able to create such files. Can you attach such files? I would like to examine,
if they write something special to file, or if they only display it different.

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--- Comment #41 from Yan Pas  ---
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docx with pink bg

I've tested popular office suites, here is what I've found:
1. MS Word (online and desktop) do not support ODT background
2. Abiword supports odt background and displays it with full pages
3. Calligra displays background the same way as LO
4. DOCX files created in MS Word or GDocs with page background are displayed in
LibreOffice with background within margins. In other words not like in MS Word.

Here is docx example

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--- Comment #40 from Regina Henschel  ---
Do you have examples from abiword or MS Word in ODF-format?

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--- Comment #37 from Yan Pas  ---
Current behavior is a workaround, but not solution. Should I create new ticket?

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--- Comment #35 from Cor Nouws  ---
Closing with explanation of comment #33
Thanks Justin!

(In reply to Lenge from comment #34)

> When the workaround is applied, the horizontal and vertical paragraph rulers
> are moved and expanded to cover the entire page instead of only the text
> area.

Indeed - thanks for notifying. Please open a separate enhancement issue for
that (and mention it here).

Cor

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--- Comment #33 from Justin L  ---
As of LibreOffice 5.4, this issue could potentially be closed - workaround
enabled (see closed bug 41542 mentioned in comment 30).

According to Regina's comment 24 only workarounds will be possible?
> The "margin"-area is always transparent So margins can never
> have a background.

So the workaround from comment 16 should suffice since borders are no longer
required
> A somewhat plausible workaround for this is to set the page margins to 0.00"
> and ... set spacing to contents to 0.79", 
> though the border will still be present. [no longer true in 5.4]

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Bug 33041 depends on bug 41542, which changed state.

Bug 41542 Summary: FORMATTING: Allow "Spacing to contents" for edges without a 
line
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41542

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--- Comment #32 from Michael Stahl  ---
possibly related OASIS issue:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3769

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--- Comment #31 from Regina Henschel  ---
(In reply to Lenge from comment #30)
> If I understand correctly, allowing this in LibreOffice would be a suitable
> approach to resolve the full-page background issue, and at the same time
> also resolve bug 41542. Am I right?

Yes, it is the same problem. The solution in file format is the same. The
position where something in the code has to be changed, is likely different.

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--- Comment #30 from Lenge  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #26)
> The only problem is, that LO disables "Spacing to Contents" in case "Line
> Arrangement" is set to "none" in the tab "Borders", whereas the
> specification allows such setting.

If I understand correctly, allowing this in LibreOffice would be a suitable
approach to resolve the full-page background issue, and at the same time also
resolve bug 41542. Am I right?

(However, I'd suggest to have the LibreOffice UI not deal with the CSS terms of
"margin" vs. "padding" as these can easily become confusing.)

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--- Comment #29 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #26)

Ah, in current LibreOffice terms : margin 0; border ~0, Spacing to contents = x
(the margin you want for the content).

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--- Comment #28 from Regina Henschel  ---
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Document with the described workaround

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--- Comment #27 from Yan Pas  ---
Documents created in MS Word with page backgorund and saved in both ODT and
DOCX don't have any white borders. If you open these docs in LO then the
borders become white.
And vice versa, if you create doc with page bg in LO and then open it in MSO -
there will be no white borders.

So it's most likely LibreOffice's problem

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--- Comment #26 from Regina Henschel  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #25)

> But setting a border in a page style, doesn't offer me a UI to set the
> padding, does it?

The UI is there. "margin" in the sense of specification is the setting "Margin"
in tab "Page" of the page style dialog. "border" in the sense of specification
is the setting "Line width" o.a. in the tab "Borders" of the page style dialog.
"padding" in the sense of specification is the setting "Spacing to Contents" in
the tab "Borders".

The only problem is, that LO disables "Spacing to Contents" in case "Line
Arrangement" is set to "none" in the tab "Borders", whereas the specification
allows such setting.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33041] Allow page background to cover the whole page, not only within page borders/margins

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33041

--- Comment #25 from Cor Nouws  ---
Thanks Regina,

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #24)

> The solution for LibreOffice can be, to allow to set a padding without
> having a border. border-width="0pt" is handled the same as border="none" in
> XSL, so allowing "no" border is no problem in regard to specification.
> "padding" is the setting "Spacing to contents" in the tab Borders in the
> page style dialog. Currently padding is disabled, if no border is set.

But setting a border in a page style, doesn't offer me a UI to set the padding,
does it?

> As workaround, you currently set margins to 0cm (and ignore printer

So then this workaround has no option to set a padding, so there is no
difference between the border edge (background to the side of the paper) and
the content edge (e.g. text) ?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33041] Allow page background to cover the whole page, not only within page borders/margins

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--- Comment #24 from Regina Henschel  ---
The settings are in element  in ODF. It allows
the attributes fo:margin and fo:padding. The namespace fo belongs to XSL,e.g
https://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xsl-20011015/slice7.html#padding-top. The
specification of XSL refers to CSS and there you find the box model
https://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/box.html#box-padding-area.

The "margin"-area is always transparent. The "padding"-area has the same
background as the content-area. The border is between "margin"- and
"padding"-area. So margins can never have a background.

The solution for LibreOffice can be, to allow to set a padding without having a
border. border-width="0pt" is handled the same as border="none" in XSL, so
allowing "no" border is no problem in regard to specification. "padding" is the
setting "Spacing to contents" in the tab Borders in the page style dialog.
Currently padding is disabled, if no border is set. But having border width =
"0pt" is allowed in CSS and in turn in ODF.

In case LO would allow padding without border, the user could set margin to 0pt
and determine the needed distance between text and page edge be setting a
suitable padding. Because the padding has the same background as the content,
then the image would be drawn up to the page edge.

As workaround, you currently set margins to 0cm (and ignore printer warning),
and set the border to the smallest possible value and to a color, which makes
it rather invisible (background color of page, or similar to an image color,
for example). You get a document with a minimal border at the page edge and an
image covering the whole page. Most printers have a non-printable area and will
not print near the paper edge, regardless what the document page has there.
Only in PDF you will see this small border.

The same problem exists not only for page layout, but in all other cases, where
you can set border and padding.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33041] Allow page background to cover the whole page, not only within page borders/margins

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33041

Cor Nouws  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Allow page background to|Allow page background to
   |cover the whole page, not   |cover the whole page, not
   |only within page borders|only within page
   ||borders/margins

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