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--- Comment #24 from Gauthier  ---
Hello all,

While not entirely related I got told to point info her about another view mode
which I think would be useful: a Reader View. This would be similar to Firefox
reader view, allowing people who read documents in Writer to be able to toggle
a mode that makes reading easier.

In effect toggling this view it would activate:

1. A darker background, less straining to the eye than the default white (say a
pale yellow
2. Scaling of font size 
3. Change in font colour that contrast with background in a non aggressive way
(e.g. brown)
Users could choose the colour scheme and font scaling of their reader view.

Ideally you could toggle this view on and off easily with a button in the same
way you toggle say track changes.

I filed it as a separate bug 151320 as what is discussed here is a new writing
view rather than a reading view but I suppose it might help having different
ideas on new views place to see what gets traction from users and developers.

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--- Comment #23 from ero...@aol.com ---
How is Bug 121107 ("hide whitespace" not persistent) a duplicate of this bug?

Bug 121107 an independent bug of its own, whether on not one considers "hide
whitespace" to be a reasonable and adequate resolution of this bug 37967 -
'Option like "MS WORD's normal view" needed'

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Changing priority back to 'medium' since the number of duplicates is lower than
5

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--- Comment #21 from Michal Suchánek  ---
Now this is another brilliant comment:

(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #20)
> Removed myself from CC because I am not interested in MS-Word things.
> 
> Best regards. JBF

MS Word is a major competing product which makes it part of the ecosystem in
which Libreoffice lives. Further it is only used as an example of well known
implementation of the feature. Other software implementing it is mentioned in
the comments. But it has something to do with MS Word so not interesting. And
this comes from a person with @libreoffice.org address meaning it is supposed
to be somewhat representative of the project /o\

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Removed myself from CC because I am not interested in MS-Word things.

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*** Bug 121107 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #18 from Michal Suchánek  ---
Still not working in  6.1.3.1

Web view is pretty close (unlike "Hide Whitespace") but neither is proper view: 

 - missing in view selector on the bottom toolbar - not discovearble
 - not remembered across restart

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--- Comment #17 from ero...@aol.com ---
I've just registered here to state my view that "Hide Whitespace" is NOT an
adequate substitute for a Normal View. And that there is a meta-bug here in the
form of developers not getting why a Normal View is such a "Critical! Need to
have! Feature!" for many users (or rather non-users) of Open/LibreOffice. When
I've gripped about this elsewhere, the usual programmer response was that it
was a bug in my wetware - that my need for a Normal mode meant that I was
trying to write prose in the wrong way. 

The reasons why "Hide Whitespace" is not an adequate substitute for Normal View
include: 

- The proper behavior for Hide Whitespace is to show the blank page below the
last line down to the bottom margin. The proper behavior for Normal View is to
show the first line on the next page *immediately* below the last line of the
page. 

- The proper behavior for Hide Whitespace is to stagger margins from page to
page, when, e.g. the document has alternating left-and-right margins on
odd-and-even pages. The proper behavior for Normal View is to align left
margins from page to page, even if the left margin is (e.g.) 0.5 inches on one
page and 1.5 inches on the next. 

- The proper behavior for Hide Whitespace is to display a thick, dark-gray line
between pages that serves as a clear (and somewhat intrusive) end-of-page
warning. The proper behavior for Normal View is to display a thin, light-gray
start-of-next-page line that the user will notice only if he looks for it -
that he can easily ignore.

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--- Comment #16 from Jean-Baptiste Faure  ---
This feature is currently implemented in the next 5.1 version. Please see bug
39080.

Best regards. JBF

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 39080 ***

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Let me second this request for enhancement.

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Set back to enhancement.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Severity

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--- Comment #13 from andrej8anu...@gmail.com ---
Instead of the hide white space feature I use the web layout, but that is
not rally the same. Too bad, because it is a really nice future.

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--- Comment #12 from Tero Niemi tala...@gmail.com ---
Links in my original post have been outdated while the Open Office product has
travelled from Sun to Oracle to Apache Foundation. Here are the current ones:

The original bug report / feature request: 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=4914

Bug votes of importance:
   
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=votestype0-0-0=greaterthanvalue0-0-0=259

(The original report was made 2002-05-15, so in the next month it is
celebrating its 11th anniversary. BDS Project had once a 25 year old one fixed,
so there is still hope.)

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--- Comment #11 from Greg korate...@outlook.com ---
I agree with Comment 1 and hope to see the hide white space feature
implemented soon. This is the most important feature for me.

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--- Comment #10 from bugquestcon...@online.de ---
Using the navigator now for almost a year I am still missing beside the normal
view the outline view of word.
Also Emir can pointed this out.

I offer my time for testing the new SW as long as I can run the test version
parallel to my production version currently 3.6.5

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--- Comment #9 from Samuel M. s.mehrbr...@gmail.com ---
Some people already offered money for fixing this at Freedomsponsors:
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/203/viewing-option-like-ms-words-normal-view-needed

You might consider increasing that money if you want to get this implemented
(You pay only when it has been implemented).

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--- Comment #7 from bugquestcon...@online.de ---
Although I got used to teh views available in Writer, I still miss the Normal
View of Word. 

Michael Longval explanations and proposals are excellent!

I hope we can get them realized in Writer soon.

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--- Comment #8 from Emir Sarı emir_s...@msn.com ---
Well, this is what I would call a perfect feature for end users (and the
outline view request as well).

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--- Comment #6 from VX vangeli...@aol.com ---
Sounds reasonable. +1 for the ideas

(In reply to comment #5)
 Not really a bug.
 
 Rather a LONG overdue feature enhancement.
 
 I have recently come back to LibreOffice (used OpenOffice and StarOffice
 before that), after having used MS-Word.
 
 I concur that LibreOffice needs a Normal View where formatting and fonts are
 not displayed, just the text (bold and italic is acceptable).
 
 This would go a long way to bridge what LibreOffice has to offer as a
 writing tool and what programs like WriteRoom, OmmWriter, PyRoom and
 multiple others have to offer : DISTRACTION FREE WRITING.  
 
 1) Call it Distraction Free View  --- rather obvious
 
 2) Allow for a DIFFERENT color theme than for Web or Print view.  For those
 of you who are old enough : Remember WordPerfect white on blue screen.  I am
 still drawn to that. Currently the chosen color theme applies to BOTH Web
 and Print view.  So if I chose to edit text in Web View (sorta of a stopgap)
 with a blue backgroud and yellow font. That color theme is carried over to
 Print view when I want to check formatting.  I have to go and change the
 color theme.  It's a pain.
 
 3) If we really want to go wild...: allow for different keybindings in
 Distraction Free View
 
 - a Vim mode
 - or and Emacs mode
 - or Wordstar mode (would probably get some old science fiction writers, who
 are still useing WordStar, to switch to LibreOffice.)
 
 What can I do to help you with this?

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