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--- Comment #30 from Gauthier  ---
I'd say that this feature is very important! LO is a great piece of software
but working with document with lots of comments is still a big issue. It's
hardly possible to follow. The visible part of a comment is tiny (you have to
scroll within the comment which makes it hard to follow); comments are not
aligned with the text, etc.
I had to open the doc with LO online to be able to work (which handles the
display of comments a bit better, though also has issues). As much as I resent
Google, LO could do with getting a little inspiration from Google Docs hen it
comes to usability.
Since collaboration on docs has become very normal, I thin it should be a
priority for LO to address the redesign of the comment function.

Adjusting the width of the comment column/pane seems like good first step to
address issues with the display of comments.

In addition, making it easier and more dynamic to select comments in a doc so
it's more aligned with where the comment relates to in the text (again, in docs
with lots of comments it's currently difficult sometimes to find / select the
right comment).

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--- Comment #29 from Dieter  ---
(In reply to Buovjaga from comment #28)
> 1. needsDevEval is used for potential easy hacks
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Keywords#needsDevEval
> 2. What Eyal proposed is not the job of developers, but QA contributors

Thanks for that information. I'm not so familiar with it. So please change,
what has to be changed.

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--- Comment #28 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Dieter from comment #27)
> (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #26)
>  I would like to ask that developers use this bug to propose/discuss/announce
> > their overall strategy for addressing the comment UI shortcomings, and then
> > open individual bugs about parts or aspects of that work, rather than we
> > starting to open a half-dozen conflicting bugs.
> 
> Good idea
> => Keyword needsDevEval

1. needsDevEval is used for potential easy hacks
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Keywords#needsDevEval
2. What Eyal proposed is not the job of developers, but QA contributors

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--- Comment #27 from Dieter  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #26)
 I would like to ask that developers use this bug to propose/discuss/announce
> their overall strategy for addressing the comment UI shortcomings, and then
> open individual bugs about parts or aspects of that work, rather than we
> starting to open a half-dozen conflicting bugs.

Good idea
=> Keyword needsDevEval

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--- Comment #26 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Dieter from comment #25)
> So I
> would either treat this bug as a meta bug for enhancements or I would close
> it and open a new bug report for every idea, that is collected here and
> reported somewhere else.

I would like to ask that developers use this bug to propose/discuss/announce
their overall strategy for addressing the comment UI shortcomings, and then
open individual bugs about parts or aspects of that work, rather than we
starting to open a half-dozen conflicting bugs.

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--- Comment #25 from Dieter  ---
Bug summary is not very specific and we have some specific proposals. So I
would either treat this bug as a meta bug for enhancements or I would close it
and open a new bug report for every idea, that is collected here and reported
somewhere else.

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--- Comment #24 from DarkTrick  ---
> 1.- Allow to lengthen the width of the comments column because the monitors 
> are very wide nowadays.
In general I think this is a good idea. I think there have been already a bug
about this.

> b) See only one line with a + to display the comment we choose.
I'd say `...` is usually used in these cases.

I like both.

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--- Comment #23 from gmoll...@us.es ---
Esperanto: (English below, Español debajo)
Mi pensas, ke kiam estas multaj notoj kun longa teksto pri ĉiu, ne estas
legeble, ke iuj notoj eĉ estas metitaj en alian paĝon pri la teksto, al kiu ili
aludas.
Mi pensas, ke solvo estus duobla (ambaŭ fareblas samtempe):
1.- Permesu plilongigi la larĝon de la kolumna komento ĉar la monitoroj estas
tre larĝaj nuntempe.
2.- Permesu meti plurajn tipojn de videbloj, elekteblaj en menuo de la titolo
de komentoj kaj en la vidbenda menuo por diversaj manieroj vidi la komentojn,
la formoj povus esti:
a) Vidu montratajn komentojn
b) Vidu nur unu linion kun + por aperigi la komenton, kiun ni elektas.

Triono estus povi movi la komentojn por flosi kiel balonoj sur la ekrano, krom
povi ekspansiiĝi aŭ retiriĝi per + butono sur ili.

Dankon

English:
I think that when there are many notes with a long text on each one, it is not
legible that some notes are even put on another page regarding the text to
which they refer.
I think a solution would be twofold (both can be done at the same time):
1.- Allow to lengthen the width of the comments column because the monitors are
very wide nowadays.
2.- Allow to put several types of visualizations, eligible in a dropdown from
the comments title and in the view menu for different ways to see the comments,
the forms could be:
a) See displayed comments
b) See only one line with a + to display the comment we choose.

A third would be to be able to move the comments to float like balloons on the
screen, in addition to being able to expand or retract with a + button on them.

Thank you.

Español:
Pienso que cuando hay muchas notas con un texto largo en cada una, es poco
legible que incluso se pongan unas notas en otra página respecto al texto al
que hacen referencia.
Creo que una solución sería doble (ambas cosas pueden hacerse a la vez):
1.- Permitir alargar el ancho de la columna de comentarios porque los monitores
son muy anchos hoy día.
2.- Permitir poner varios tipos de visualizaciones, elegible en un desplegable
desde el título de comentarios y en el menú ver para distintas formas de ver
los comentarios, las formas podrían ser:
a) Ver comentarios desplegados
b) Ver solamente una línea con un + para desplegar el comentario que elijamos.

Una tercera sería poder mover los comentarios para flotar como globos en la
pantalla, además de poderse expandir o retraer con un botón + en ellos.

Gracias.

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--- Comment #22 from DarkTrick  ---
> This will mean that as you zoom in, you'll only need to consider the notes 
> for less of the text.

Then I would "at least expect" a separate zoom functionality for the comments -
for people, that cannot read the default font size. (Sometimes systemwide
Font-size change is no option)

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--- Comment #21 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to DarkTrick from comment #18)
> There is still a problem, if comments and text are so far away, that both
> cannot be shown on screen. As solving that problem makes things more
> difficult, I only focused on coloring / styling in this post.

Two things to consider in this context:

1. Making the note font constant regardless of document zoom: The notes are not
part of the document, and should just keep their font size. This will mean that
as you zoom in, you'll only need to consider the notes for less of the text.

2. Allowing notes to take up more of the viewport: Not just a bar on one side,
but as there are more and more notes - bars on both sides, and eventually the
talmudic style of surrounding the main text with the commentary, see:

https://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudPage.html


of course, that doesn't have any graphics relating the point in the text to the
point in the commentary, but you can see the small central area and the large
area surrounding it.

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--- Comment #19 from BottleOnTheGround  ---
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example styling as png

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--- Comment #18 from BottleOnTheGround  ---
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example styling in html (should work properly in firefox)

My suggestion for the UI regarding coloring looks as described below.

Example:
=
  - The attachment writer_comment_UI_example.html shows a living   example of
the description below (without lines for comments, because they are difficult
  - The attachment writer_comment_UI.png shows an example of the transparency
of unfocussed comments.

Not selected / focussed comment:

  - transparency of background / marking / text is 50%.
  - marked text has dashed border

Comment selection:
==
  - Definition: 
  - mouse cursor is hovers over comment area.
  - mouse cursor is hovers over marked text.

  - transparency of text marking border becomes 0%.
  - transparency of marked text becomes 0%.


Comment focus:
==
  - Definition:
  - typing cursor is inside a comment

  - like selected comment, but:
 - border width increases.
 - dashed lines are solid.

Further improvement

There is still a problem, if comments and text are so far away, that both
cannot be shown on screen. As solving that problem makes things more difficult,
I only focussed on coloring / styling in this post.

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--- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Suggestion from comment 6 is sill valid, ideally with a solution to comment 7.
Removing UX to bring this forward into production.

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[Bug 101216] [META] Comment bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #15 from jan iversen  ---
Seems the UX team need to decide how it should be, at least I cannot understand
the demand

Maybe this is not an easyHack depending on the outcome.

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--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #12)
> Just bringing all the issues and variations that need to be dealt with about
> comments to your attention, so you can take it forward. 

Reading through hundreds of comments is counterproductive since no dev will do
so. Lets stick to the bug, and file another when needed. And of course we can
discuss issues. There will be a list of tasks...

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--- Comment #12 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Just bringing all the issues and variations that need to be dealt with about
comments to your attention, so you can take it forward. Likely we should do a
design session about it.

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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #9)
> I've attached the document i was using to give my explanation.

So you mean a reply to a comment. I'd say this question has to be covered in a
different ticket. When you reply on a comment it creates another comment that
is directly attached to the previous (whereas all other have some margin
between). And it is labeled as "Reply to...". Not too bad.

But your example shows clearly the need to deal with long comments, the
scrollbar is awkward. To keep this ticket an easyhack I'm still in favor of
putting the issue into another ticket. However it would be an idea to enlarge
the selected comment to show 20 lines or so (and shrink it down to 3 after
deselection). And that might be solved when someone touches the highlight on
selection thing.

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Code pointer, difficulty missing

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--- Comment #9 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
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sample

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #8)
> I cannot follow your nested comment idea. What do you mean with "to shrink
> cluttered comments..." when you open the attached example?

I wasnt using the attached example as the basis of my comment, as all of the
comments in that doc are 1 or 2 lines and none are nested comments, which you
would find in real world examples. I've attached the document i was using to
give my explanation.

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--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #7)
> LO's current behaviour is to shrink cluttered comments to show 3 lines and
> show a scrollbar to access the rest of the text. Instead it would be useful
> to keep the main comment intact or partially shrunk and collapse the nested
> comments until the user chooses to expand them by clicking a 'show X nested
> comments' below the main comment and once clicked, it would expand the
> hidden nested comments and collapse other opened nested comments. This
> showing nested comments behaviour could also be triggered by clicking on the
> comment highlighted text. But ultimately the entire comment design and
> behaviour needs to be revamped.

I cannot follow your nested comment idea. What do you mean with "to shrink
cluttered comments..." when you open the attached example?

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   |are a lot of them   |

--- Comment #7 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
LO's current behaviour is to shrink cluttered comments to show 3 lines and show
a scrollbar to access the rest of the text. Instead it would be useful to keep
the main comment intact or partially shrunk and collapse the nested comments
until the user chooses to expand them by clicking a 'show X nested comments'
below the main comment and once clicked, it would expand the hidden nested
comments and collapse other opened nested comments. This showing nested
comments behaviour could also be triggered by clicking on the comment
highlighted text. But ultimately the entire comment design and behaviour needs
to be revamped.

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