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--- Comment #30 from Rizal Muttaqin  ---
In my case, I often create many Writer documents from a file. So when I change
a header in the original file, I had to update its ToC and repeating tirelessly
every ToC of all the documents. In some cases, I can trick the header by adding
some fields so I just need to change it in the document properties. But the
story of ToC quietly different, especially when I forget to update in a hurry
situation.

Adding an option to make it updated automatically by default would not make it
cluterred. We talk about an important part of a document here. I am not sure
how this would affect performance but we have field and chart being update
automatically by default. So, set is automatic update by default would might be
no issue. Otherwise, we can set it to be updated after saving/printing.

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--- Comment #28 from D.F.  ---
Thumbs up for an automaticaly updated TOC from me as well!

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--- Comment #27 from Cor Nouws  ---
@heiko, @muhammet: do we have a UX-meeting this week :) ?

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--- Comment #26 from Ferdinand  ---
IMO there is no reason to NOT update the TOC on preview/print/save/create
pdf/send/etc.

it's annoying to realize that the TOC was not updated prior printing, have to
throw away paper.

it's embarrassing to hand out documents with wrong TOC, it does not look like
professional work.

just my 2c

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--- Comment #25 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #24)
> @Heiko: What's your take?

Dont get the point why someone wants to print/save without updating the TOC.
But Benjamin would also want to refresh it manually to ensure that things went
right. Similar to a print preview. Putting that together an auto update
checkbox being enabled by default sounds reasonable to me.

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--- Comment #24 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Muhammet Kara from comment #21)
> I agree that the natural flow would be automatically updating those tables
> and indexes on save/print. I wonder if some users would want to disable this
> feature for performance reasons (maybe while working on very large
> documents?).

Well printing the most accurate document would always be in the user's interest
so i doubt there would be an issue there. For save, which a user can do
multiple times in a session, if the updating of the ToC can always be done with
minimal performance reduction to the saving process, then that would be idea.
Else it should be done when the user saves during closing the document, which
would only occur once.

@Heiko: What's your take?

@Muhammet: So you gonna take this back on as its been 6 months?

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--- Comment #23 from Muhammet Kara  ---
De-assigning for now to avoid blocking others' work. I'll get back to this if
not fixed after a while. Sorry for the noise.

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--- Comment #21 from Muhammet Kara  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #20)
> Unless we can identify a scenario that there would be a reason why a user
> wouldnt want this behaviour, i wouldnt suggest adding it to the already
> bloated options dialog. But if we have to add it to options dialog, then a
> single entry would be sufficient called 'Indexes and Tables' and have it in
> the 'Automatically Update' section.

I agree that the natural flow would be automatically updating those tables and
indexes on save/print. I wonder if some users would want to disable this
feature for performance reasons (maybe while working on very large documents?).

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 Blocks||89606

--- Comment #20 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Unless we can identify a scenario that there would be a reason why a user
wouldnt want this behaviour, i wouldnt suggest adding it to the already bloated
options dialog. But if we have to add it to options dialog, then a single entry
would be sufficient called 'Indexes and Tables' and have it in the
'Automatically Update' section.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89606
[Bug 89606] [META] Table of Contents and Indexes bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #19 from Muhammet Kara  ---
Created attachment 127669
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=127669=edit
New Check Boxes for "Indexes And Tables"

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--- Comment #18 from Muhammet Kara  ---
What about adding some check boxes to the options of Writer?

There is already some checkboxes for Fields and Charts. What I understand from
the LO Help is that these fields are automatically updated whenever their
linked fields are updated. So the timing of updates seems a little different
than what we discuss here.

Please check the attached screenshot to see what I mean. (I added the "Indexes
and Tables" part.)

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--- Comment #17 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #16)
> I've used TOCs and never saw the point of having to manually refresh it, 

>From what I remember, Word did not do this automatically always.
So Google learns me there is the setting Options > Print > Update fields

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--- Comment #16 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
I've used TOCs and never saw the point of having to manually refresh it, i
would compare it to creating a chart and then manually telling it to refresh it
after i changed some of the values associated to it.

So i'd suggest that the TOC be automatically refreshed without user prompt when
a document is saved and before the launch of the print dialog.

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--- Comment #15 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to jan iversen from comment #14)

> Please remark that bug is still at "needDevEval" set so I am afraid code
> pointers as such is not enough. This is also not a easyHack and looking at
> the code it is a complicated bug.

Then maybe first back to discussion..

A possible way to circumvent that complicated part may be:
  - user starts print / pdf export
  - a dialog pops up
"Do you want to update the TOC first"
[ ]  do not show this question again
   [ YES ]   [  NO  ] 

Similar to Overwrite warning in Calc.

What do the UX people think of this?

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--- Comment #14 from jan iversen  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #13)
> Hi Muhammet,
> 
> (In reply to Muhammet Kara from comment #11)
> > 
> > I would like to fix this. Any code pointers?
> 
> kind! @jani, can you help Muhammet finding the right people (if he not
> already did on irc ;) )

Please remark that bug is still at "needDevEval" set so I am afraid code
pointers as such is not enough. This is also not a easyHack and looking at the
code it is a complicated bug.

But as suggested earlier, IRC is the best place to ask for pointers, and maybe
understand why it still has needsDevEval set (which normally means it is
something not very simple).

A good person to talk to on IRC is sweetshark.

have fun, looking forward to see your work.

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--- Comment #13 from Cor Nouws  ---
Hi Muhammet,

(In reply to Muhammet Kara from comment #11)
> 
> I would like to fix this. Any code pointers?

kind! @jani, can you help Muhammet finding the right people (if he not already
did on irc ;) )

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--- Comment #12 from Winfried Donkers  ---
(In reply to Muhammet Kara from comment #11)
> I would like to fix this. Any code pointers?

I suggest you ask for code pointers on IRC or the developers mailing list; I
don't know if the Writer-code experts see your question here.

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--- Comment #11 from Muhammet Kara  ---
(In reply to Muhammet Kara from comment #10)
> The bug is still valid on 5.2.0.4. Actually, TOC is not updated either on
> save or print.

Also the same on:

Version: 5.3.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: f7dd958ad383c31fe380273d4a59e24fe6fe8caf
CPU Threads: 4; OS Version: Linux 4.6; UI Render: default; 
Locale: en-US (en_US.utf8);


I would like to fix this. Any code pointers?

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--- Comment #10 from Muhammet Kara  ---
The bug is still valid on 5.2.0.4. Actually, TOC is not updated either on save
or print.

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--- Comment #7 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
Original described wish is still not realised
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Summary|EDITING auto-update of  |EDITING auto-update of
   |Table of Contents, or   |Table of Contents, or
   |question offered to do so   |question offered to do so
   |at printing or saving, is   |at printing, is desirable
   |desirable   |

--- Comment #6 from Winfried Donkers o...@dci-electronics.nl ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 
 You mean that the TOC is updated when when you hit Ctrl-P ?
 Not for me, here on Ubuntu ..

You're right. I only checked with saving...
I changed the title to reflect the current situation.
Thank you for checking properly.

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