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The button `windows default apps` is still invisible in LibreOffice 7.0beta2

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--- Comment #27 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #26)
>...
> And then, on Windows before 10, 'Set Defaults by App' should open; on
> Windows 10, according to MS policy, https://i.stack.imgur.com/7N2xp.png
> should appear, suggesting to user where to set the settings.

OK, thanks!  

Did an actual msiexec /i install with WRITE_REGSITRY=1, and now see the
LibreOffice > LibreOfficeDev 6.5 HKLM entries.

And on Windows 10 Home (1903) I get the "To change your default apps, go to
Settings > System > Default apps." system dialog popup.

Working as intended/allowed for MS Windows builds...

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The button is only effective for registered apps - i.e., those in
HKLM\Software\RegisteredApplications. The app name in the registry (as written
when installing) must be the same as passed to the function; to find out which
is the string passed to the function, please execute soffice --version, which
would give something like

> ...
> LibreOfficeDev 6.5.0.0.alpha0 46920005f74edcb70acfb8dd1a0ffb9553e5c2b2

and from this, LibreOfficeDev 6.5 (i.e., name and first two digits with dot
between them) is the app name as should be present under
HKLM\Software\RegisteredApplications. The string value in registry should point
to Capabilities registry key. For testing, e.g. for me it's enough to add
"LibreOfficeDev 6.5" to the RegisteredApplications, with value of "SOFTWARE\The
Document Foundation\LibreOffice\6.3\Capabilities" pointing to capabilities of
existing LO 6.3 installation.

And then, on Windows before 10, 'Set Defaults by App' should open; on Windows
10, according to MS policy, https://i.stack.imgur.com/7N2xp.png should appear,
suggesting to user where to set the settings.

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@Mike, WRITE_REGISTRY=1 for install had no affect. The 'Windows Default apps'
control is not launching the Windows 10 Settings -> Apps & Features panel.

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--- Comment #24 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Of course that is:

s/WRITER_REGISTRY=1/WRITE_REGISTRY=1

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--- Comment #23 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Commit Notification from comment #22)
> Mike Kaganski committed a patch related to this issue.

>...
> Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

@Mike, With the TB77 nightly for 20191117 on a Windows 10 Home 64-bit en-US
(1903) laptop. I see the new 'Windows Default apps' control on the Tools ->
Options -> General tab.

But with typical /a Admin server install, no quickstart--I get no response from
the control, and no launch of the Windows 10 Settings panel.

For testing, do we have to do the install with a WRITER_REGISTRY=1 to get the
dev build to respond?

And then on Windows 10 which of the Settings -> Apps panels should it open
to--'Default Apps' or 'Set Defaults by App'

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--- Comment #22 from Commit Notification 
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Mike Kaganski committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

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tdf#44462: add a link to Windows Default apps settings applet

It will be available in 6.5.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
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Fixed as described in comment 20.

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--- Comment #20 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Pedro from comment #19)
> Exactly. Work AGAINST the system is what LibreOffice/OpenOffice HAVE to do
> because the system is owned by Microsoft.
> Otherwise they will become irrelevant and Microsoft file formats will be the
> only ones left (Microsoft will deliberately boycott any office open file
> standard such as ODF)

That just a conspirological idea, which additionally suggests to create a
functionality that is known to be going to break constantly again and again by
next Windows updates, keeping developers busy with finding new workarounds to
fix it, and users getting upset with the feature being broken again. Of course,
LibreOffice is so bug-free, and has so many human power to spare, that such an
activity is badly needed to keep developers at least somewhat busy, while some
users suspecting conspiracy would wave to inspire them [/sarcasm].

I would add a button to Options->General to call normal Windows Default apps
settings applet - see https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/82777; that would
expectedly only show the infobanner on Win10, telling user which applet to use
to define the associations. Users then would see what to do, as Windows told
them. That should be the only thing possible to LibreOffice.

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--- Comment #19 from Pedro  ---
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> As shown in the discussion of the answers at [4], every method proposed to
> workaround that, gets broken in a subsequent Windows update; so trying to
> implement such functionality is apparently working against the system.

Exactly. Work AGAINST the system is what LibreOffice/OpenOffice HAVE to do
because the system is owned by Microsoft.
Otherwise they will become irrelevant and Microsoft file formats will be the
only ones left (Microsoft will deliberately boycott any office open file
standard such as ODF)

That is why the OP and myself suggested to implement a dialog to repair
associations WITHIN LibreOffice similar to the one provided by IrfanView

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--- Comment #18 from Mike Kaganski  ---
Current LibreOffice versions run on Windows 7 SP1 and later.

The recommended way to deal with application file associations is described by
MS in [1]; and noteworthy are the following bits:
1.
> Important
> 
> This topic does not apply for Windows 10. The way that default file
> associations work changed in Windows 10
2.
> Note
> 
> We recommend you call the Set associations for a program by using
> IApplicationAssociationRegistrationUI::LaunchAdvancedAssociationUI.
3. At the page mentioned in #2 [2]:
> Remarks
> 
> Starting in Windows 10, this does not launch the association dialog box.
> It displays a dialog to the user informing them that they can change the
> default programs used to open file extensions in their Settings

It's obvious that Windows is deprecating and making dysfunctional even the
means to open its own tools to manage file associations from applications (and
indeed, trying to click "Default Programs..." button in Options in MS Word 2016
on Windows 10 brings that "To change your default apps, go to ..." banner) [3].

As shown in the discussion of the answers at [4], every method proposed to
workaround that, gets broken in a subsequent Windows update; so trying to
implement such functionality is apparently working against the system.

I propose to close this as WONTFIX for the mentioned reasons.

[1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/shell/default-programs
[2]
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/shobjidl/nf-shobjidl-iapplicationassociationregistrationui-launchadvancedassociationui
[3] https://i.stack.imgur.com/7N2xp.png
[4]
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32178986/windows-10-equivalent-of-launchadvancedassociationui/52198802

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--- Comment #17 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Pedro from comment #16)
> If you believe this feature can not be added, just ignore it. Maybe someone
> else might like to give it a go ;)

I believe that this feature *should not* be added, that's why I post my reasons
here, so that someone who might like to give it a go (or reviewers) could weigh
both PoVs.

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--- Comment #16 from Pedro  ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #14)

> > And in case you are unaware, Microsoft resets file
> > associations that are not associated to the program of their liking on every
> > other Windows 10 update. I have had to associate JPG (not exactly a MS file
> > format) to the program I prefer instead of the MS defined APP several times
> > now on a 6 months old Windows 10 laptop...
> 
> So, how's that relevant here? Or do you think that doing something inside LO
> would prevent this from happening? :) It will continue to be reset each time
> OS wants that; it's only MS that can fix its bugs regardless of where the
> setting originated that broke with next OS update.

This is not a MS bug. It's a deliberate feature ;) MS makes money by selling MS
Office.
If LibreOffice wants to make it easier for it's users to keep using LibreOffice
then it needs to go halfway and create user friendly solutions. Alternatively
it can go the NOTOURBUG route and loose them.

>Btw: IrfanView is a *Windows* program. LibreOffice is *cross-platform* 
>program. >It may be run on MacOS/Linux/Android/*BSD/...

But you do know that some features are adapted according to the OS, right?

If you believe this feature can not be added, just ignore it. Maybe someone
else might like to give it a go ;)

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--- Comment #15 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Pedro from comment #13)
> Here is how Irfanview (a Windows freeware image viewer) handles the file
> association problem.

Btw: IrfanView is a *Windows* program. LibreOffice is *cross-platform* program.
It may be run on MacOS/Linux/Android/*BSD/...

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--- Comment #14 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Pedro from comment #12)
> So instead of solving the problem for the most commonly used files
> you believe that is is easier to instruct users to reinstall LibreOffice
> every time the associations are broken???

:) Which of the comment 11 made you believe so? My words meant that we register
all *supported* formats - and *some* most-often-used - while installing; then
we use OS feature to set the program default handler of supported files that
user wants, without reinstalling. BTW, registration of *supported formats* is
never reset, even by MS - only registration of default handler does :)

> And in case you are unaware, Microsoft resets file
> associations that are not associated to the program of their liking on every
> other Windows 10 update. I have had to associate JPG (not exactly a MS file
> format) to the program I prefer instead of the MS defined APP several times
> now on a 6 months old Windows 10 laptop...

So, how's that relevant here? Or do you think that doing something inside LO
would prevent this from happening? :) It will continue to be reset each time OS
wants that; it's only MS that can fix its bugs regardless of where the setting
originated that broke with next OS update.

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--- Comment #13 from Pedro  ---
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Screenshot of Irfanview's file association dialog

Here is how Irfanview (a Windows freeware image viewer) handles the file
association problem.

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--- Comment #12 from Pedro  ---

> Second, doing so, we cannot stop with MSO file types only. Why? We can
> handle a multitude of formats, textual, spreadsheets, graphical,
> presentations, ... Where to stop? And by doing that, you will eventually
> loose the presumed ease of seeing associations of MSO files in one place.

Right... So instead of solving the problem for the most commonly used files you
believe that is is easier to instruct users to reinstall LibreOffice every time
the associations are broken???
TBH I would rather have an option to select which files are associated with
LibreOffice instead of the installer using a black box approach...

> Third, you may be unaware of this, but Windows "Default Programs" has a mode
> that already makes what you need: it is called "Set defaults by app". There
> you just choose a program (e.g. LibreOffice), and choose defaults for that
> program in one place. See e.g.
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-set-default-programs-in-windows-10/

Again, right... And in case you are unaware, Microsoft resets file associations
that are not associated to the program of their liking on every other Windows
10 update. I have had to associate JPG (not exactly a MS file format) to the
program I prefer instead of the MS defined APP several times now on a 6 months
old Windows 10 laptop...

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--- Comment #11 from Mike Kaganski  ---
Well, first of all, there are functions that are best done by OS/desktop
manager. This one is one of them. More generally, it is not good to duplicate
any OS-provided functionality in program, because doing this, the program takes
responsibility to catch up with any changes in OS function; it should do that
for any OS/DM it works on; it will need to fix its own bugs in this
implementation etc. Now it is done by proper registration using proper method
(installer technology suited for that kind of tasks and doing most of the job)
- some small tweaks are only needed.

Second, doing so, we cannot stop with MSO file types only. Why? We can handle a
multitude of formats, textual, spreadsheets, graphical, presentations, ...
Where to stop? And by doing that, you will eventually loose the presumed ease
of seeing associations of MSO files in one place.

Third, you may be unaware of this, but Windows "Default Programs" has a mode
that already makes what you need: it is called "Set defaults by app". There you
just choose a program (e.g. LibreOffice), and choose defaults for that program
in one place. See e.g.
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-set-default-programs-in-windows-10/

Lastly: it's not hammer's job to check if its owner uses it by default for
hammering nails.

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--- Comment #10 from Charles  ---
Hi Mike...

Virtually copy/pasting my comment in the other bug here...

I have to disagree that resolving bug 104793 should automatically resolve this
one, because - well, because resolving it does *not* resolve this one.

However, bug 104793 begs a question...

Is there a way to make these changes programatically in Windows 10, without
being dumped to the Default Programs screen?

I think the answer is yes, because I don't recall being dropped to that screen
when I first installed LibO on my laptop after clean installing windows 10.

But I ask this because this is what happens when I install Firefox for someone.
With Windows 7, you just clicked 'OK' on the first run to set it as default.
Done. In Windows 10, after you click OK to set it as default, you're then
brought to the Windows Default Programs settings page where you have to
manually select Firefox and change it.

Now I'm off to open a bug for Firefox to set itself as the default without
getting dropped to that screen - but I have a feeling that because Microsoft
really wants users to use Edge, they may not let another web browser take over
as the default without the extra hassle.

So, if there is a way to accomplish these changes without having to jump
through those hoops, and it is possible to properly manage these fully from
within LibO - which apparently is the case - I still think this bug would be a
valuable addition, simply because it puts all of the relevant file associations
in one place and let's you see at a glance which one is set for LibO and which
for MSO.

What I would do for this bug though is to add a single option to 'Allow Windows
to control these for me', which could be made default if the devs so desired.

Thanks for listening.

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I suppose that for Windows, using its own "Default Programs" is the proper way
of fixing this. So, when bug 104793 is resolved, this one will be resolved,
too.

Not sure about other OSes, as mentioned in comment 7. So, I don't mark these
bugs as dupes. However, I don't believe that LO should do OS (DM) integration
itself. Rather, for each OS we should have its own proper method, like e.g.
installer for Windows does. LibreOffice application itself should stay
registration-agnostic.

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Björn Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Björn Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com ---
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LibreOffice development currently prioritizes bugs with the so called MAB (most
annoying bugs) -- as this bug has not run through that process (including
writing a short rationale for this bug being a candidate and other who are
watching the tracker bug silently approving that rationale etc.) its priority
is set to high. Note this is effectively no change in the urgency assigned to
this bug, as we are currently not making a difference between high and highest
and severity is untouched.

You can find out more about MABs and how the process works by contacting
libreoffice qa on irc:

 http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa

The QA wiki page also gives you hints on how to get in contact with the team
(if IRC fails you, your next best choice is the mailing list):

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 44462] Provide a proper 'File Association Manager' for the windows version of Libreoffice

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--- Comment #7 from NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net ---
This should be expanded to linux as well. The new version of Apache OOo
overwrites all of the existing LO file associations. Right clicking in the file
manager (Nautilus/Nemo etc) works for basic file manager associations, however
that does not resolve the mime associations for mail  browser clients
(SeaMonkey, Firefox, Chromium etc)  other non-file manager applications.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 44462] Provide a proper 'File Association Manager' for the windows version of Libreoffice

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--- Comment #6 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Hi Joel,

Thanks very much for picking up on this.

It appears one thing has changed since I opened this Feature Request, is that
using the right-clickopen with method does now apparently properly fix
associations with the normal version of a document type (ie, .odt or .doc) also
fixes the remplate version (ie, .ott or .dot) so they work as templates are
expected to work.

Also, I'd like to expand a little on the concept...

First is the creation of the 'restore point' for the associations.

This means that the installer (and the FAM itself) should always 'record' the
current settings of the associations before changing them. I'd even suggest
expanding this to having two different restore points: 'original' (this is the
state they were in prior to the very first time Libreoffice changes them,
whether this is at install time, or done manually via the FAM sometime
thereafter), and then a 'previous' state, that would only be available after
subsequent changes are made after the 'original' state was created.

Second, is the ability to check and/or repair permissions on the registry
entries that control the file associations the FAM will be managing.

This is actually one of the things that I ran into myself during one of the
first times I ran into a problem with the file associations. The permissions
had somehow gotten messed up. I was able to fix/reset them manually when logged
on with an admin account, so if I can do it manually, then Libreoffice should
be able to do it automatically (again, as long as the user is logged on with a
user account that has local admin privileges).

Thanks again Joel...

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V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

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--- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
*** Bug 63109 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 44462] Provide a proper 'File Association Manager' for the windows version of Libreoffice

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Timur gti...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Timur gti...@gmail.com ---
There are few methods to provide a proper file associations for the Windows
version of Libreoffice

1. During the command-line installation, which is convenient for mass-scale
deployment
2. During the GUI installation, selecting file associations works for
LibreOffice, but doesn't work for LOdev - should a new bug be filed or this can
be handled in the existing bugs, such as Bug 60714?
3. Modifying the GUI installation, selecting file associations works for
LibreOffice 3.6.5.2 and 4.0.1.2, but doesn't work for LOdev - related to Bug
60714 - changing file associations from the change option of add/remove
programs doesn't work - so this bug should relate to LOdev only
4. Using Windows 7 Default Programs option in Control Panel is possible for
LibreOffice 3.6.5.2 and 4.0.1.2 because they are registered, but it's not
possible for LOdev because it's not. - related to Bug 43519 - Cannot set
default file associations - I don't have Vista, but it should be same as 7. I
think this bug should relate to LOdev only.
5. From within LibreOffice - not possible, and requested in Bug 44462 - Provide
a proper 'File Association Manager' for the Windows version of LibreOffice. 

LibreOffice is found in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\RegisteredApplications or
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\RegisteredApplications while LOdev is
not.

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V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

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--- Comment #3 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
(In reply to comment #2)

Not exactly correct. Yes, when working with the LODev builds, by default the
.msi installer package does not write into the Windows registry. 

For the Windows RC and Final release builds that is changed with a single
toggle of the WRITE_REGSITRY value from 0 to 1.

When working with LODev builds, running the installation from a command prompt
and setting WRITE_REGISTRY=1 will fully enable recording of GUI options into
the Windows registry.

msiexec.exe /i libreoffice-4-0~2013-03-02_00.38.08_LibO-Dev_4.0.2.0_Win_x86.msi
WRITE_REGISTRY=1

LOdev is recorded into HKLM  SOFTWARE  RegisteredApplications, and File
Associations are made into HKLM  SOFTWARE  Classes

LOdev applications are available to associate as default types, which per user
get modified in HKCU  SOFTWARE  Classes

Problems seem to arise with stale HKCU settings, which take precedence over
HKLM settings. Or the clearing of HKCU settings, which lead to claims of
hijacking associations.

It is Windows specific behavior that probably merits some development effort to
enhance the installer and possibly as suggested integrate a more effective
File Association Manager for LibreOffice associated file types.

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V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

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--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
adding to but 41884

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Timur gti...@gmail.com changed:

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

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   Priority|medium  |highest
 Ever Confirmed|0   |1

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--- Comment #1 from Joel Madero jmad...@usa.com 2012-07-03 11:11:23 PDT ---
I have submitted this along with four other bugs to the mailing list because
they are all very similar. I may create one super bug and close this one as a
dupe because it seems like the underlying issue comes down to defaults 
changing file associations, I really like this mock up and I have submitted
it for consideration by the developers. 

See also: 
FDO 39791
FDO 43519
FDO 38310
FDO 47483

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