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--- Comment #17 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
What is this bug about now?

* In-line paragraphs - dupe of 46023.
* Allowing character styles in ToC - interesting prospect, but then amend the
title accordingly. Would also need to discuss if a document could having its
"Heading N" style switched from PS to CS and back.
* Two-frame structures which look like a full paragraph with a run-in heading

Please decide and clarify using the bug title. In particular, whoever marked
this as NEW - which suggestion did you confirm?

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--- Comment #16 from Zenaan Harkness  ---
Text frames does look like another workaround, but in that case, bug #101765
(cursor movement between "normal" text paragraphs and those paras inside text
frames) would of course facilitate this process, along with but #101773 (link a
frame style to a para style, to make applying easier).

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--- Comment #15 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Further to Owen's work around in comment 8, seems the desired effect can also
be achieved with a pair of linked Text Frames. 

The first Text Frame contains the text to be used as the index or ToC is linked
to a second that has the same anchor.  Simply duplicate the text and formatting
of the run-in in the second, they'll overlay (or use white space). Borders will
need to be cleared, and spacing above/below to other paragraphs might need to
be adjusted.

Apply outline level to the paragraph in 1st frame--it will pick up in
Index/ToC.

The linked frames also work for the Side headings of original AOO bz#39582

As Text Frames (unlike Draw Text Box), they take all available formatting for
the contained text.

Might be a little fiddly to get the exact spacing for a given publication
"style"--but ought to be functional until a dev decides to hack at things.

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--- Comment #14 from Marc Grober  ---
(In reply to Joel Madero from comment #7)
> That being said - your description is very concise. Agreed it's a valid
> request.
> 
> Marking as:
> New
> Enhancement
> Medium - I don't see this benefiting a huge proportion of our user base
> (most use our software for basic things) but as the comment points out, it
> could be required for "higher end" tasks such as academic papers.
> 
> Also:
> Might be an easy hack so adding that, I agree with the idea that there
> should just be a check box that by default is unchecked but which can be
> unchecked and it says something like "In-Line Heading" and can be applied to
> any style

Re: "most use our software for basic things" -- I don't know what the source of
your data is, but with shrinking education budgets everywhere one looks, more
and more students employing LO, and students writing academic papers perhaps
numbering over half the potential user base for the product, I'd say you were
being a touch myopic.

Re: "might be an easy hack" -- yes, and I think simply tweaking the ToC
generator to accept Character Styles for indexing might even be easier.

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--- Comment #13 from Marc Grober  ---
Just came across this as I discovered the ion-line/run-in key words when
building 99695 (see dup link above).  My comments there have some additional
info.

My proposal was simply to allow the use of Character Styles in the ToC in
addition to Paragraph Styles.  In that way, one could create a set of specific
inheriting Character Styles for various ToC (or index or bibs) levels, and it
would be relatively easy to share those styles, making an effective and easy to
use template much simpler.

Owen's workaround is much better than others I have seen, but it would in my
view still be an all round functional improvement to be able to use Character
Styles  in addition to Paragraph styles.

If you disagree that this is a dupe we can always split it up again

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--- Comment #12 from Marc Grober  ---
*** Bug 99695 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #10 from Bob Harvey  ---
Another bump.  I have used the work-around but it is not an obvious style, does
not play well with the navigator, and I have to come back here to remember how
to do it.

This remains a needed enhancement.

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--- Comment #11 from Joel Madero  ---
Please don't bump bugs - that's not how this project works. The enhancement
will be done only if a volunteer takes interest.

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--- Comment #8 from Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 92849
  -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=92849action=edit
ODT demonstrating workaround using index entries

This particular issue of run-in / in-line headings can be worked around using
index entries:

1. Insert run-in / in-line heading (plain text) with ensuing text e.g.,
Heading level 3 Text text ...
2. Highlight Heading level 3.
3. Insert  Indexes and Tables  Entry...
4. Select Index of Table of Contents  set Level to 3  click Insert 
click Close.
5. Place cursor where the ToC is to be inserted.
6. Insert  Indexes and Tables  Indexes and Tables...
7. Index/Table tab  ensure Create from Index marks option is checked
(default setting)  click OK.

The attached document provides a four-level example, with levels 1 and 2 being
standard paragraph styles Heading 1 and Heading 2, and levels 3 and 4 created
using the index entry method provided. Tested using v4.1.4.2 Build ID:
0a0440ccc0227ad9829de5f46be37cfb6edcf72.

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--- Comment #5 from Bob Harvey bobhar...@europe.com ---
OK, I've provided what was asked for, and we have some independent comment
supporting it.  can we move on now?

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--- Comment #6 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Moving on just means waiting for someone to triage - it's an enhancement
request so honestly the priority on it is much lower. Right now the focus is on
triaging issues for the upcoming 4.2 release. 

If you have time to help QA team with some triage work - the more people we
have on board, the faster we can deal with these kinds of enhancement requests
(at least triaging them, getting a developer to volunteer to do it is a whole
different challenge).

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--- Comment #7 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
That being said - your description is very concise. Agreed it's a valid
request.

Marking as:
New
Enhancement
Medium - I don't see this benefiting a huge proportion of our user base (most
use our software for basic things) but as the comment points out, it could be
required for higher end tasks such as academic papers.

Also:
Might be an easy hack so adding that, I agree with the idea that there should
just be a check box that by default is unchecked but which can be unchecked and
it says something like In-Line Heading and can be applied to any style

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--- Comment #4 from Fabian Alexander Wilms f.alexander.wi...@gmail.com ---
This is neccessarify for creating academic papers adhering to the very common
APA style:
http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2009/07/five-essential-tips-for-apa-style-headings.html

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--- Comment #2 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Unfortunately part of the reason this has been in UNCONFIRMED for so long is
because it requires us to dig through comments on someone else's bug tracker.
We require clear and concise information on our bug tracker - saying click
this link and see is not sufficient. Please provide the information here and
if necessary say see comment #n on PROVIDE LINK) - vs. just go browse this
extensive bug report on AOO's framework.


Marking as NEEDINFO. Once clear info is provided here, including pointers to
what comments we should look at on the link you provided, mark as UNCONFIRMED
and we'll see if we can at least get it to NEW status.

Thanks for your understanding

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--- Comment #3 from Bob Harvey bobhar...@europe.com ---
Right-oh

An 'Inline' or 'Inset' or 'Run-in' heading is one in which there is no newline
at the end of the heading.  The succeeding paragraph text ('running text') runs
on in smaller type on the same line.  The heading is still a separate
'paragraph' for logical purposes, e.g. creation of TOC or style selection or
numbering, but the text does not start on the next line down.   This would
frequently be used for low-order headings, heading level 3 or 4 downwards, in
complex documents.

If the text height of the heading is sufficiently large then the succeeding
paragraph may flow onto two or more lines on the right of the heading, in a
layout similar to a 'Drop Caps' where the first letter of a paragraph is formed
as a massive decorative 'drop capital' with the rest of the paragraph flowing
around it.  This could be used to simulate a drop cap, although it would not be
a true one because the first word of the paragraph would be incomplete by one
letter, leading to errors in word count and perhaps indexing.  I hesitate to
suggest a true 'Drop Cap' word style, though it would be fun.


It seems to me that this could be done by allowing any paragraph style (and
hence any heading style) to include a boolean indicating whether the paragraph
ends with a line break or not.   This is not unlike specifying the white space
below a paragraph, but with the addition of it being null.  Or, rather, very
short: I imagine some mechanism to specify alignment  minimum white space after
the heading and before the running text would be needed.  This sounds
suspiciously like another very specialist tab to me: the default or body text
style could be preset with two or three 'inline starting point' tabs to allow
the page to look nice, and the running text start points to line up down the
page regardless of heading lengths.

Note, too, that the vertical alignment of the main 'running text' and of the
inital 'run-in heading' is non-obvious.  they might want to be be bottom
aligned (base aligned) in simple cases, but where the heading is made very
large they will need to be top aligned.  I suspect this will want to be user
selected too.

Don't forget too that design decisions here might interact with Bug 48457 for
'marginal' or 'outset' headings.



Stealing from the OpenOffice bug request you mention (which still seems jolly
accessible to me, don't really understand the problem) here is an example:
--
Example for run-in headings:

RUN-IN HEADING  Bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla.

Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla.

OTHER RUN-IN HEADING  Bla bla bla.

MORE RUN-IN HEADINGS  Bla bla bla 
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla.
---

Similarly, someone else said:
Lack of r.i.h. is an absolute showstopper for creating IEEE- and
MIL-STD-961E-format documents. W*** accomplishes this by allowing you to set
the
paragraph mark between heading and para text to hidden. Recent W*** versions
use a style separator with same effect; the paragraph as printed is formatted
with Heading X up to the style separator, and with e.g. Body Text after the
separator.



===
The original OO bug included an opposite but related proposal, where chapter
number and chapter name appear on successive lines in the text, but on a single
row of the TOC.  This implies having a single heading with an embedded line
break that is suppressed in the TOC and other cross-references. (this technique
is often seen in book layouts where the chapter number and name are
centre-justified at the top of the page)

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--- Comment #1 from Bob Harvey bobhar...@europe.com ---
Bump - still unconfirmed after 6 months

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