[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 49701] Provide UI button to abort loading of a file

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 49701] Provide UI button to abort loading of a file

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--- Comment #19 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #18)
> The UI already incorporates a "useful" location.  As the document is parsed
> for opening from the Start Center, or from system file manager--as the
> document frame opens there is a load progress bar rendered on the status bar
> labeled "Loading document..."

The label isnt consistent across apps (bug 108706) and sometimes doesnt show
(bug 108707).

> Normally it flashes up so quickly, you won't notice it. I had to dummy up a
> 800 page document to show it long enough during normal loads.

Yes most users wont notice the progress bar unless it is a large/complex file
or if the loading process has stalled.

> Question would be if that status/progress bar does "hang", or could be made
> to do so, and if we can extend it with a button widget to abort the loading
> of a hung document. It is already in the best location.

Yep the devs have to give their input on whether it is even possible to exit
out of the import routine with the proposed 'cancel' button.

Meeks, Thorsten, Samuel, Maxim: Any thoughts?

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--- Comment #18 from V Stuart Foote  ---
The UI already incorporates a "useful" location.  As the document is parsed for
opening from the Start Center, or from system file manager--as the document
frame opens there is a load progress bar rendered on the status bar labeled
"Loading document..."

Normally it flashes up so quickly, you won't notice it. I had to dummy up a 800
page document to show it long enough during normal loads.

Question would be if that status/progress bar does "hang", or could be made to
do so, and if we can extend it with a button widget to abort the loading of a
hung document. It is already in the best location.

=-ref-=
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/source/window/status.cxx
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/framework/source/helper/statusindicatorfactory.cxx

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--- Comment #17 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #16)
> The status bar is not really a prominent area. Having the progress bar with
> a cancel button in the notification area or in a dialog provides more
> control as a side effect.

Yes the status bar isnt a prominent area, as the loading process of a document
isnt intended to be something prominent, as it should only take a few seconds
in the best case scenario. It is only when the loading process takes a long
time is it important for the user to even care about it.

So to me the infobar or a dialog is would be bad UX, as it brings to much
attention to this process, which should be something that users should never
think about. Imagine opening the file open dialog, selecting a document to
open, and then a dialog flicker infront of you during the loading process and
then you see your document after 1 second. Also i tested loading a document and
it only draws the UI (menu bar, toolbars, sidebar, etc) after the document is
fully loaded, so not sure that we could provide an infobar in that scenario.

> The question what LibO is doing meanwhile was
> asked to think about a threaded process so the user doesnt need to wait. But
> she has nothing to do on the other hand.

Yes ideally you should be able to work on an already open document, while
another document is being loaded, but i dont think LO has threaded processes
yet. Firefox just got it a few days ago. :D

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--- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #15)
> (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #12)
> > By the way, what happens meanwhile when the loading takes ages? Are you
> > allowed to continue with the recent document?
> 
> To my knowledge it locks up LO as a whole while the document is loading.
> 
> > If not showing a confirmation
> > box or special notification area with progress bar and cancel button is also
> > an option.
> 
> Dont really get what a confirmation box would provide. What would you want
> to put in a special notification area?

The status bar is not really a prominent area. Having the progress bar with a
cancel button in the notification area or in a dialog provides more control as
a side effect. The question what LibO is doing meanwhile was asked to think
about a threaded process so the user doesnt need to wait. But she has nothing
to do on the other hand.

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--- Comment #15 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #12)
> By the way, what happens meanwhile when the loading takes ages? Are you
> allowed to continue with the recent document?

To my knowledge it locks up LO as a whole while the document is loading.

> If not showing a confirmation
> box or special notification area with progress bar and cancel button is also
> an option.

Dont really get what a confirmation box would provide. What would you want to
put in a special notification area?

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--- Comment #14 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #13)

> Mind: what to do, or show to the user, when loading hangs? Is 'About
> loading' expected to load that too?
to stop that too?

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--- Comment #13 from Cor Nouws  ---
 is the key to use, IMO.

Mind: what to do, or show to the user, when loading hangs? Is 'About loading'
expected to load that too?

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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
By the way, what happens meanwhile when the loading takes ages? Are you allowed
to continue with the recent document? If not showing a confirmation box or
special notification area with progress bar and cancel button is also an
option.

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--- Comment #11 from tommy27  ---
what about putting a message in the loading dialog progess bar saying: "LibO is
loading the file. press  to abort"

IMHO the Esc key is unlikely to be accidentely pressed since it's in the left
upper corner of each keyboard.

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--- Comment #10 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #9)
> A toolbar button widget with assigned shortcut would probably be best UX,

Not sure a shortcut key would be something possible for users to know or even
discover, which is why  would be a good candidate.

>  can be a bit random about what it is applying to--not sure we can
> assure opening of document is the actual target.

 is quite common to cancel the last action, like closing an open a dialog,
exiting insert mode when drawing a shape, closing an open split/group button,
etc.

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--- Comment #9 from V Stuart Foote  ---
A toolbar button widget with assigned shortcut would probably be best UX, 
can be a bit random about what it is applying to--not sure we can assure
opening of document is the actual target.

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--- Comment #8 from V Stuart Foote  ---
*** Bug 88102 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #7 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
I've suggested the cancel button and Esc key in bug 88102. Cancel button is
good for visual users and Esc is good for accessible users.

Cor, Stuart: What's your take?

Maxim, Samuel: Can you give your input from a dev's perspective what is
possible.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108566
[Bug 108566] [META] File loading and saving progress bar and related bugs and
enhancements
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--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Thomas Lendo from comment #5)
> Where could such an abortion button be placed when there is no file dialog
> open? Only pressing ESC would make sense imho.

Lengthy operations (>500ms) have to go into background but feedback is still
needed. That's typically done with a progress bar in the statusbar (or the
address bar in case of Internet browsers) where the cancel button would fit
well. While UX can easily demand such a feature it is likely a challenge for
the developers.

Escape is not a good idea as it could be pressed accidentally.

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Version|Master old  -3.6|Inherited From OOo
Summary|Provide UI to cancel|Provide UI button to abort
   |opening of a file   |loading of a file

--- Comment #4 from tommy27 ba...@quipo.it ---
I agree that an abort loading of a file would be an useful enhancement.
issue is inherited from OOo.

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