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--- Comment #23 from j22...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #22)
> (In reply to J22Gim from comment #21)
> 
> I would recommend to read and think before replying.
> Specifically, I wrote:
> 
> (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #18)
> > our Web view mode is an **imitation**,
> > implemented using some **dynamically-changing** pages with width
> > equal to the window, and height of 10 meters. In this case, two different
> > windows would conflict trying to re-format the same document to two
> > different page widths at the same time.
> 
> It means, that when you have two windows for the same document in Web mode,
> they would try to show you the same document on the *different* page sizes -
> their widths would be dependent on the window width. But there is no way in
> Writer to have different pages assigned to the same content at the same
> time. Again: the "web mode" is like "use normal mode, just temporarily
> pretend that the page sizes are WindowWidth x 10 m".
> 
> There is no conceptual problem in implementing it in the correct way. It
> just needs a significant effort. And as comment 18 shows, there is no simple
> "just enable the command" solution.

I strongly suggest you not only read and think but also relax before you reply
to comments. Also, do it in a a respectful way. Nobody is saying 'just enable
the command'. You need to stay calm. I understand people is asking all the time
for features and only very few people do the actual work. I acknowledge that
and thus I respect the ones who do the actual code and design. And therefore I
respect what you do, your time and effort, and I never meant to upset you. This
being said, you can always chose not to reply if you feel offended or if you
feel you have explained yourself enough (or, if you have a bad day).

Now, coming back the our respectful discussion: considering a) that 'Web mode'
is like: "use normal mode, just temporarily pretend that the page sizes are
WindowWidth x 10 m", and b) the problems in "having different pages assigned to
the same content at the same". 

What about these options:
1) keep the 'Normal mode' as the editable window, while 'Web mode' is
read-only. Thus, View -> Web view would open a new window (as it is right now,
if I have two 'Normal mode' windows and select 'Web mode' in one of them, the
other gets automatically closed). Of course this would only work if the
currently open window is 'Normal mode'.

2) allow for multiple 'Web mode' windows, but only one (the first?) can be
edited, while the rest are read-only. This would mean that the 'use normal
mode' part corresponds to the first window (where you can edit), while the
other 'Web mode' windows are just imitations of the first one. If they are
read-only and it is a problem that the user resizes different windows, then
maybe LO can make a copy of the working document just for visualization
purposes, after all it is not going to be modified on those windows.

By having only one editable window, we would still respect the 'use normal
mode', while all the others are 'imitations' that can not be changed.

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--- Comment #22 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to J22Gim from comment #21)

I would recommend to read and think before replying.
Specifically, I wrote:

(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #18)
> our Web view mode is an **imitation**,
> implemented using some **dynamically-changing** pages with width
> equal to the window, and height of 10 meters. In this case, two different
> windows would conflict trying to re-format the same document to two
> different page widths at the same time.

It means, that when you have two windows for the same document in Web mode,
they would try to show you the same document on the *different* page sizes -
their widths would be dependent on the window width. But there is no way in
Writer to have different pages assigned to the same content at the same time.
Again: the "web mode" is like "use normal mode, just temporarily pretend that
the page sizes are WindowWidth x 10 m".

There is no conceptual problem in implementing it in the correct way. It just
needs a significant effort. And as comment 18 shows, there is no simple "just
enable the command" solution.

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--- Comment #21 from j22...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #18)
> (In reply to Simeon Maryasin from comment #2)
> > In Print layout mode you see document as it would be printed (split to
> > pages, etc), while in Web layout mode it isn't split and its formatting
> > depends on window size.
> 
> I *guess* this is exactly the reason why it's disabled: our Web view mode is
> an imitation, implemented using some dynamically-changing pages with width
> equal to the window, and height of 10 meters. In this case, two different
> windows would conflict trying to re-format the same document to two
> different page widths at the same time.
> 
> Gülşah might have better understanding of the problem; I wonder if the
> change mentioned in comment 13 was abandoned because of some conflict of
> this kind?

I don't see the conflict here. For example, in a web browser, you can open the
same website in two different windows and see them simultaneously. If there are
changes in one of them, what is the (conceptual) problem reflecting this change
in the other one on Writer?

The point of having two windows is, for example, being able to inspect
different parts of the document at the same time. It should be independent of
the viewing mode. And it would be very useful if it could be done in Web mode.
For example in 'normal' mode, even if yo hide the 'in between pages' spaces,
you still see a lot of information (mostly formatting) that is not relevant
when you want to focus on what you write. And in many cases you want to see one
section of the text (e.g. references section?) while writing on another section
of the same document. That is when WEB view would be a great addition.

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--- Comment #20 from Loyal Juraschek  ---
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> Looks like Muhammet Kara said the problem was that Comment 13's change
> introduced a new bug, bug it also appears he suggested an edit to mitigate
> it.
*but it also appears
apologies

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--- Comment #19 from loya...@outlook.com ---
Looks like Muhammet Kara said the problem was that Comment 13's change
introduced a new bug, bug it also appears he suggested an edit to mitigate it.

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--- Comment #18 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Simeon Maryasin from comment #2)
> In Print layout mode you see document as it would be printed (split to
> pages, etc), while in Web layout mode it isn't split and its formatting
> depends on window size.

I *guess* this is exactly the reason why it's disabled: our Web view mode is an
imitation, implemented using some dynamically-changing pages with width equal
to the window, and height of 10 meters. In this case, two different windows
would conflict trying to re-format the same document to two different page
widths at the same time.

Gülşah might have better understanding of the problem; I wonder if the change
mentioned in comment 13 was abandoned because of some conflict of this kind?

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*** Bug 118172 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #15 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
Reproduced with:  Version: 6.4.0.0.alpha1 (x64)
Build ID: cc57df8f942f239d29cb575ea5a7cb01405db787
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 18362; UI render: GL; VCL: win; 

If this is intended (i.e. not a bug), then maybe it should be mentioned in the
help file?  See here: 

https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/en-US/text/shared/01/0701.html?DbPAR=SHARED#bm_id6323129

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--- Comment #14 from Andy Goth  ---
Confirmed in LibreOffice version: 6.2.0.3
Build ID: 98c6a8a1c6c7b144ce3cc729e34964b47ce25d62
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.1; UI render: default; VCL: win; 
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded

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Resolved in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/41326 (Needs code review)

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--- Comment #12 from Hyogapag  ---
Confirmed in LibreOffice Version: 5.1.4.2 Build ID: 1:5.1.4~rc2-2~bpo8+1
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--- Comment #11 from Simeon Maryasin mars...@ya.ru ---
Confirmed in LibreOffice 4.4.2.2 Build ID: 4.4.2.2 Arch Linux build-1, Arch
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Confirmed LibreOffice 4.4.2.2 build c4c7d32d0d49397cad38d62472b0bc8acff48dd6
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And confirmed for LO 4.1.1.2 on Linux Mint 15 64bit KDE ...

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AFAIR, opening one document in several windows at once is useful when working
with different parts of it.
In Print layout mode you see document as it would be printed (split to pages,
etc), while in Web layout mode it isn't split and its formatting depends on
window size.

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Hi,

I did confirm this behavior using Version 4.0.0.2 (Build ID:
408fe71bd18616c467b3dcd7ab6756528ffcae2)on Ubuntu 12.04. I'm not exactly sure
about what the Web or Print Layouts are supposed to do, but if you open a new
window, you would expect changes in one not to affect changes in the other
window, I think.

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