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--- Comment #31 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
I've re-added the horizontal line menu item into the insert menu with the work
i'm doing in bug 91781.

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V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #30 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
Added to the Local Help and documentation Meta bug 80430 for correction of
help.

This back to Resolved Wontfix

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Christopher Wright dhase...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
  Component|Writer  |Documentation
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

--- Comment #28 from Christopher Wright dhase...@gmail.com ---
Since the functionality was intentionally altered and the menu item will not be
restored, this is a documentation bug. I do not have edit permissions on the
wiki. Someone who does, please edit the page at
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Inserting_a_Horizontal_Line to reflect the
recommended method of adding a horizontal line.

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   Priority|medium  |lowest
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REOPENED isn't right - setting to NEW

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 CC||dragonseye@templeoftheancie
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--- Comment #27 from Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de ---
*** Bug 83852 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #23 from Stefan Knorr (astron) heinzless...@gmail.com ---
Do we have a new UX-advise bug for this already?
If not, let me add my 2 cents...

My best idea would be to check for the various paths that were used for these
symbols in the past and try to come up with a similar UTF-8 representation for
that ruler (i.e. most of those elements could be replaced with simple bullets).
Is that possible somehow?
Otherwise, if that's not supported, we probably need to try with a simple rule.

(Btw, note that MSO has/had(?) a similarly stupid ruler functionality:
http://www.robweir.com/blog/2006/07/game-of-zendo.html )

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--- Comment #24 from Luuk luu...@gmail.com ---
enter --- or ___, and you will see a nice horizontal line

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--- Comment #25 from maur...@bcs.org.uk ---
(In reply to comment #24)
 enter --- or ___, and you will see a nice horizontal line

Sadly, that is not a solution for documents that already have the original
'Horizontal Line'.
  What is needed is a horizontal line as a simple object in its own right.

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--- Comment #26 from Luuk luu...@gmail.com ---
its solved in 4.1
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-1-new-features-and-fixes/
On Windows, modern IMEs show their suggestion windows at more easy-to-read
position. fdo#64298 (Yohei Yukawa - Google)
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64298)

The bullets (and the lines?, but i did not test that ) are saved in the odt
file.
Now the only problem is to find the bullets if you removed your old version ;)

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Luuk luu...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #18 from Luuk luu...@gmail.com ---
I openend the reproducer-doc in LO (Version 4.0.4.2 (Build ID:
9e9821abd0ffdbc09cd8c52eaa574fa09eb08f2))
I selected the 'line', went to Insert/Picture/From file
and made the attached screen-shot

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--- Comment #19 from Luuk luu...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 82077
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Screenshot on Win7 of Reproducer.odt

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Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com changed:

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 Status|NEEDINFO|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #20 from Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com ---
So - thanks for the document; it confirms - as we suspect that this feature was
historically broken - hard-coding platform, and version, and install-directory
specific cruft into files; as such there is almost nothing we can do about
legacy files with these rulers loosing their rulers.

Similarly, the feature was sufficiently disliked by UX, devs (and sufficiently
problematic) that it was disabled  removed: hopefully that will stop new
broken documents from being created.

If people want to open a new enhancement around building a new gallery of
modern  attractive ruler artwork, and adding a new feature to copy those into
the document then they are welcome to do so :-) even more welcome would be
someone to work on coding that feature.

Thanks !

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--- Comment #21 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
The horizontal rule in Writer was just a specialized (and functional) case of
decorative artwork which had a  convenient, if poorly implemented, Insert -
Horizontal rule(r) menu option. 

Removal of the patchwork of galleries supporting horizontal rules--with no
ability to relink/fix existing  4.0 documents--is an unfortunate consequence
of what was probably necessary code maintenance. 

Can understand that it was done, unfortunately it leaves many users confused
and concerned about broken documents. And the remaining  4.0 provisions to
assert Paragraph border styles are confusing to users and render rudimentary
results at best. 

Frankly, the simplicity of the Insert menu item was clean UX.

Maybe a little quick to set this particular issue resolved? There has been very
little discussion or UX advice of what could be the scope and mechanism of
decorative art borders and separators in all LibreOffice components. Suspect
opening a new UX enhancement issue would end up a running wish list with little
focus and too broad a scope.

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--- Comment #22 from Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com ---
 Removal of the patchwork of galleries supporting horizontal rules--with
 no ability to relink/fix existing  4.0 documents--is an unfortunate
 consequence of what was probably necessary code maintenance. 

Well - it is possible to imagine a whole load of schemes for fixing existing
documents with broken horizontal rulers in them :-) what is hard to see is wil
will have time to work on that; it's fundamentally an easy hack if someone has
the time to dig out all the code pointers to try to do the repair. This feature
never worked interoperably across platforms eg. in the past; that those
documents continued to work for the original user was ultimately pure chance.

 Maybe a little quick to set this particular issue resolved? There has been
 very little discussion or UX advice of what could be the scope and mechanism 

Please create a new bug - use the UX-Advise component - we now use that to
track open UX requests  input and it's mirrored to the mailing list. That is
by far the best way to track and handle the: should we add some insert-ruler
functionality back issue. Until there's some input there, I can't see this
missing menu bug being fixed (it is as-designed) - hence the request for
another, clean bug, vs. that component to discuss it.

Anyhow - thanks for your concern :-)

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V. Crommen v.crom...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #17 from V. Crommen v.crom...@gmail.com ---
Meny entry for horizontal line is missing since the 4.0 release.

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--- Comment #15 from Miklos Vajna vmik...@suse.cz ---
Created attachment 81060
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Reproducer document

Created using system-LO 3.6 on openSUSE 12.3.

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--- Comment #16 from Miklos Vajna vmik...@suse.cz ---
It sounds to me that this never really worked, e.g. the bugdoc has
../../../../../../../../../usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/../share/gallery/rulers/blurulr2.gif;
now opening that on Windows won't work at all, I imagine.

OTOH I agree that if you consistently used e.g. only the LO version shipped by
your Linux distro, that worked, and probably after upgrading to 4.0, it no
longer does.

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--- Comment #9 from maur...@bcs.org.uk ---
(In reply to comment #8)
 Those rulers were not embedded in the document but linked from the gallery
 theme. Therefore removing of the theme breaks the design of older documents.
 Even if you remove the item from the menu, it is still necessary to keep the
 folder with the ruler pictures.

Yes indeed! I tried to make that compatibility problem in:

   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65719

which I raised after failing to find this one, and has now been marked as a
duplicate of this.
  I have a document that has fallen foul of this function omission.

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--- Comment #10 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Well are there two issues here - one of which is the initial description
(inability to easily add horizontal line) - the 2nd issue is that the gallery
has been tweaked in a way that breaks old documents. Technically we could fix
problem #2 without reversing the change that Michael mentioned in comment 4

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--- Comment #11 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
We have an open UX-Advise thread on this subject here:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators-tt4061353.html

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--- Comment #12 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
My suggestion is NEEDINFO until that topic is finalized, then mark this as NEW
with the findings from that thread. Is this acceptable?

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--- Comment #13 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
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...acceptable?

Sure, also a good test of your UX whiteborad to see if it steers folks to the
discussion.

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #14 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
which actually may become a component instead so that the mailing list is auto
cc'ed ;) But for now, NEEDNIFO until the mailing thread/UX team reaches a
conclusion

Thanks V Stuart Foote for the details here

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|NOTABUG |---

--- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
Some indication this is not acceptable UX, and could find no UX-Advise
discussion. 

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tt4061308.html#none

http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/15930/selection-of-horizontal-rule-no-longer-possible/

An enhancement to fully add function to styles or restore some semblance of its
use in direct styling as before?

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 Status|REOPENED|NEEDINFO
 Whiteboard|bibisected40|bibisected40, UX

--- Comment #6 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Reopened is thus incorrect status - REOPENED is only if the bug is assigned.
Marking as UNCONFIRMED again and adding UX advice whiteboard status to try to
get them to comment.

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*** Bug 65719 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #8 from Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de ---
Those rulers were not embedded in the document but linked from the gallery
theme. Therefore removing of the theme breaks the design of older documents.
Even if you remove the item from the menu, it is still necessary to keep the
folder with the ruler pictures.

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Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG
 CC||cedric.bosdonnat.ooo@free.f
   ||r, michael.me...@novell.com

--- Comment #4 from Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com ---
I assume that is this commit:

commit 3be15a051444d4d2f805d95e27831d5f466c1497
Author: Cédric Bosdonnat cedric.bosdon...@free.fr
Date:   Fri Nov 23 23:59:10 2012 +0100

Removed horizontal rule ugly 1990 thing

Change-Id: Ifafd8b2ffd9af90b6ac4ed2ee0ccd3c5e980731c

Conflicts:
sw/source/ui/misc/insrule.cxx

That dialog, and the artwork set / gallery that went with it were indeed a
horror.

So - I assume this is formally a NOTABUG - but of course we should ensure that
the UX advise people have given their input and that we havn't completely
removed the ability to insert an attractive horizontal rule.

So feel free to open if you feel strongly about it :-) Cedric - I guess if this
generates more angst, we should take this to ux-advise for some more feedback ?

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   What|Removed |Added

   Hardware|x86-64 (AMD64)  |All
 OS|Windows (All)   |All
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 QA Contact||joren.libreoffice@telenet.b
   ||e
   Keywords||regression
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from Jorendc joren.libreoff...@telenet.be ---
I can confirm this is missing using Mac OSX 10.8.2 LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 release.
It's still there using 3.6.5.2. Therefore I mark this as regression.

Following our own wiki-guide:
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Inserting_a_Horizontal_Line it's located at
Insert  Horizontal line.

Kind regards,
Joren

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 60858] Menu doesn't list anything for horizontal line.

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858

Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard||bibisected40
 CC||jmadero@gmail.com

--- Comment #2 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
786d524d5ef5d7026b14861c104a5100c5c34f86 is the first bad commit
commit 786d524d5ef5d7026b14861c104a5100c5c34f86
Author: Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com
Date:   Tue Dec 11 06:25:06 2012 +

source-hash-41c2b0375773b2d2945d75e255ea6bb6c7fd378d

commit 41c2b0375773b2d2945d75e255ea6bb6c7fd378d
Author: László Németh nem...@numbertext.org
AuthorDate: Sat Nov 24 17:15:17 2012 +0100
Commit: Gerrit Code Review ger...@vm2.documentfoundation.org
CommitDate: Sat Nov 24 16:19:58 2012 +

Updated core
Project: help  48c8755aca088c7af28cd8ef47c4834175914dff
fdo#57483 remove check capitalization (ugly 1980 thing)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 60858] Menu doesn't list anything for horizontal line.

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858

--- Comment #3 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
@ Gary - thanks for reporting, when you report please provide steps even in
very simple ones like this one. For instance:

1. Open writer
2. Go to insert

Expected:
used to say horizontal line

Observed:
This is now missing


Thanks!

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