[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65515] French-style footnotes

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65515] French-style footnotes

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Pénzes Dávid  changed:

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[Bug 103164] [META] Footnote and Endnote bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65515] French-style footnotes

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65515] French-style footnotes

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--- Comment #14 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
It is easy to define a numbering style doing what is expected. The problem is
that when you attach this numbering style to the paragraph style footnote, it
is not applied. Perhaps is it due to the links between the footnote and its
call in the text.

Best regards. JBF

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65515] French-style footnotes

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65515] French-style footnotes

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--- Comment #12 from László Németh nem...@numbertext.org ---
I have fixed the unstable and inaccessible tab settings by allowing \t (also
used in regular expressions in LibreOffice Writer Search/Replace) notation for
tab characters in Begin and After fields, and opening the Settings window will
show \t in Begin/After fields instead of the removing the tab chars, see Bug
65666. So this could be an acceptable workaround until the implementation of a
better solution.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65515] French-style footnotes

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--- Comment #10 from László Németh nem...@numbertext.org ---
(In reply to comment #8)
Dear Mr. Ceschini, 

Thanks for your feedback. In fact, this is a problem for English, too:

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=18326  Footnote number greater
than 99 are missing extra space before text

You are right, LaTeX has got better support for these basic features for French
(see also this bug about French typography:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65050#c5).

Also it would be fine to use these improvements in the default French,
Hungarian, etc. text document templates.

WYSIWYG is not only a user friendly interface for the average users, but it is
a better solution for visually complex things, eg. positioning pictures into
the right places.

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--- Comment #11 from László Németh nem...@numbertext.org ---
(In reply to comment #9)
Owen, thanks for the posts! Also I have realized, right aligned tab is enough
instead of decimal tab. Pressing a simple OK without any modification will
convert the Before and After tabs, so you have to add them in the same time in
the dialog window. A (default) check box for French will be the optimal
solution. Thanks, again! László

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65515] French-style footnotes

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László Németh nem...@numbertext.org changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #6 from László Németh nem...@numbertext.org ---
I have found a workaround, good enough also for templates, see the attached
document. Unfortunately, its creation is very tricky, also it is sensitive for
the modifications of footnote settings, so we need a simpler solution to
support French typesetting.

Short description:

1. Paragraph style Footnote has got zero indentation (Before text, First
line), but two special tabulator positions (see Tabs page of the paragraph
style settings of Footnote), a decimal tab stop for the right indentation and a
left tab stop for the beginning of the remaining text.

2. Put a tabulator (tricky part, see below), and a dot + tabulator into the
Before and After input boxes in Tools»Footnotes/Endnotes... window. 

Unfortunately, normal input methods (clipboard or local menu of the input box »
Special character) of LibreOffice don't allow tabulator character (or convert
to space), only the direct methods work, eg. Ctrl-Shift-u + hexadecimal code
under Linux (pressing Ctrl-Shift-u, 9, and space), see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input#Hexadecimal_code_input. 

Warning: after modifications of Tools»Footnote/Endnotes... it has to fix the
silently converted tabs (spaces) in Before and After input boxes.

Note: this method works for footnote numbering without dots, using „invisible”
characters (eg. U+200B, zero width space) in Tools»Footnote and in the input
box “Character” of Tabs page, too.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65515] French-style footnotes

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--- Comment #7 from László Németh nem...@numbertext.org ---
Created attachment 80627
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Workaround example

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--- Comment #8 from Alessandro Ceschini alessandroceschini...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #7)
 Created attachment 80627 [details]
 Workaround example

Hello Mr. Németh,

Thanks for your help but it looks so convoluted to me... and what's more is
that I can still use LaTeX, which has an excellent support for French
Typography through babel. The examples I posted were indeed typeset with LaTeX.
But it shall be useful to those who stick to WYSIWYG.

Thanks anyway,

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Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||owen.ge...@gmail.com

--- Comment #9 from Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com ---
László, thank you for commenting and providing a workaround. I initially tried
to come up with a few solutions to this matter in the related forum thread: 

http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/6105

I was trying to do exactly what you have somehow managed in your comment #7
example. Unfortunately though I found the usual CTRL+SHIFT+u+9 (tab) insertion
into the Before and After fields under Tools  Footnotes/Endnotes... to be, as
you say, sensitive for the modifications of footnote settings. Sometimes they
seem to work and other times they appear to be replaced with a space (U+0020).
Usually I get either a tab before and space after or the reverse, but not a tab
before and after. This is under GNU/Linux Crunchbang 11 running TDF/LO v4.0.3.3
(Build ID: 0eaa50a932c8f2199a615e1eb30f7ac74279539). 

I completely forgot about using a decimal tab (I was using right-aligned) but
this (naturally) does not affect the inability to easily insert the tab. Thanks
again for your interest and the tip about using invisible characters in the
Decimal tab alignment field. Adding myself to the CC.

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
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 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Please attach the actual file (or a snippet from it) so that we can verify the
issue on an independent system :)

Marking as NEEDINFO - once you attach the file (or a test sample file that we
can see the problem) mark as UNCONFIRMED and we will confirm it.

Thanks!

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--- Comment #2 from Alessandro Ceschini alessandroceschini...@gmail.com ---
You mean you want a doc/odt file? LO doesn't do French-style footnotes, I don't
know about Word, most that I can do is providing you with a pdf typeset with
LaTex. Would that be good for you anyway?

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
ah my mistake Alessandro! I think this is an enhancement request, thought it
was a bug :)

Marking as UNCONFIRMED - will investigate :) Sorry for the noise

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
@JBF - thoughts about this one? Should footnotes just be defaulted to this if
French locale is chosen? Seems like a simple style would do the trick

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--- Comment #5 from Alessandro Ceschini alessandroceschini...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 80580
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French-style footnote numbering

Indeed, it's a bug because the software isn't properly localised. As for the
styles, it's indeed possible to indent the first line, and have the number
followed by a space, but there's a problem with the position of the said
number.

Please, open the newly uploaded image, take a look at the footnotes: you see
the position of 9 and 10, that’s different than the LO’s one. In LO the 9 would
be on the same line as 1 while French typography wants it to sit on the 0. Do
you get my point? I hope so!

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