[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #98 from Tor Lillqvist --- > This bug is marked as Mac related but I see the issue somehow on all platforms Sure, but have you looked at the source code? LO uses different code on different platforms to enumerate fonts and classify them. There might be bugs in the code for one platform that doesn't as such exist identically on other platforms. But yeah, if bug reporters insist on mixing in issues seen on other platforms in this bug, go ahead, this bug report is practically useless already with so much noise. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Chris Sherlock changed: What|Removed |Added Component|LibreOffice |graphics stack -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #97 from Heiko Robert --- This bug is marked as Mac related but I see the issue somehow on all platforms. So what about having a common bug describing the generic issues related to the LO code and three depending bug tickets describing the OS specific issues? We use TrueType Font Titillium (https://fontain.org/titillium/) which has similar issues like Fira Sans. The generic issue I see is the way how LO retrives the font (family) names and style names. Is there any pattern/logic we could describe here to identif the wrong behavior? On Windows and Mac for most applications this is not an issue. Font family names are retrived from TTF metadata (Preferred Family, Family, Postscript Name) and similar Style names (Preferred Syles, Styles (SubFamily), OS/2 Style Map, OS/2 Panose Weight, Postscript Weight). Using LibreOffice 6.3.4.2 On Windows 10: * Font names seems to be retrieved from Postscript Family Name (I checked with different locales - same result) * Style names are quite unclear - some are translated from TTF Style names, some from PS style names? * Once I modified all PS family names to absolute names like "Titillium Lite", "Titillium Black" instead of "Titillium" I was able to work with the font on Windows since LO handles the fonts as different fonts. This also works on printouts / created PDFs. Still unclear is how LO retrieves the font style. The distinct font "Titillium Lite" should only contain one style "light" but contains Standard, Italic, Bold, Italic Bold. How to force only the styles contained in the font family name? On MacOS 10.13 / Ubuntu 18: * Font names seem to be retrieved from TTF "Preferred Family" which is different (!): "Titillium". As a consequence it is not possible to share LO docs between Windows and MacOS/Linux becuase LO complains about missing fonts. * Style "Thin" could be selected but style "Light" is used for display an printout. I played with different OS/2 Panose Weight, Postscript Weight and OS/2 weight classes without success. It seems there is a hardcoded issue to distinguesh thin and light styles even the OS/2 weight classes differ (100, 200). As a first step LO should retrieve the font family and font style name the same way on all platforms. Of course then at least one platform has to translate font names in existing documents but that is already the daily nightmare in mixed OS environments. Addtionally we should know how LO maps style names to the 10 possible variants it supports. What are the priorities and which properties are relevant? Same for special style variants regular/italic/bold - which property is used for the LO style list? Understanding this logic would help uses to work around todays restrictions by manipulating their fonts. Long term LO should refactor the font style limitation by supporting unlimited number of styles and to use "Preferred Family" and "Preferred Styles" from TTF metadata if available. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Tobias Hemm changed: What|Removed |Added Attachment #156391|0 |1 is obsolete|| --- Comment #96 from Tobias Hemm --- Created attachment 156419 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=156419=edit Font recognition in LibreOffice (locale USA and Germany) and Scribus -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #95 from Tobias Hemm --- I have to partly relativize what I said above: The "stew" came from inconsistencies in the font files. I have adjusted the attached image accordingly. But what holds true is that, depending on the locale setting, LO accesses different information in the font files. It seems that, with the USA setting, LO accesses the information behind "family" in the "TTF Names", and with the German setting, LO accesses the information behind "Preferred Family". At the moment, the way it is done by the USA setting is better because, as another bug report stated, LO can only handle a limited amount of font weights/styles. What that leads to is that different optical sizes are simply not shown and thus unusable. Therefore, it needs to be done either the "USA way" or the "Scribus way". Scribus seems to access "Preferred Family" too, but it can handle more font weights and styles. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #94 from Tobias Hemm --- Created attachment 156391 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=156391=edit Font recogniction in LibreOffice Writer -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #93 from Tobias Hemm --- (In reply to giannis.sc from comment #86) > I have initially installed Libreffice with the US locale and initially > LibreOffice works fine recognize all fonts, weights and their families once > I go into LibreOffice settings and attempt to change the language say from > US to UK and upon restart it stops recognizing font families and weight. As > soon I go back to the default then the problem is solved > > Might be worth looking into I have tested that, and it’s true: With locale setting "German (Germany)", font families, optical sizes and styles get recognized differently than with locale setting "Englisch (USA)" (see my attached image below). Under the German settings, Optical sizes (Subhead, Caption etc.) don’t appear at all. Under the USA settings, i get a non-structured "stew". As you can see in the attached image, both settings are not satisfying. Either, everything should be summarized under one single Family (Adobe Jenson Pro, Cecilia LT Pro), or all the Optical Sizes should have one entry (Adobe Jenson Pro, Adobe Jenson Pro Cap, Adobe Jenson Pro Subh, Adobe Jenson Pro Disp) with all the weights under them. Also widths (e.g. Condensed or Narrow) could get a separate entry, but weights should never have one because they belong to "Style". Instead of writing a long manual about how I think it would best be done, I highly recommend: Just look at how it is done in Scribus 1.5.5 (also see image). Maybe it is possible to do it that way. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Xisco Faulí changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|high|highest --- Comment #92 from Xisco Faulí --- Changing priority to 'highest' since this a regression and the number of duplicates is higher than 5 or the number of people in CC higher than 20 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Xisco Faulí changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|medium |high Severity|normal |major --- Comment #91 from Xisco Faulí --- Changing priority to 'high' since the number of duplicates is 5 or higher -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Alex Thurgood changed: What|Removed |Added CC||martin.reitba...@teambox.at --- Comment #90 from Alex Thurgood --- *** Bug 127377 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #89 from Xisco Faulí --- *** Bug 124187 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Alex Thurgood changed: What|Removed |Added CC||estelond...@gmail.com --- Comment #88 from Alex Thurgood --- *** Bug 124187 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Alex Thurgood changed: What|Removed |Added CC||m...@paolocesari.it --- Comment #87 from Alex Thurgood --- *** Bug 123725 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #86 from giannis...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Thomas Linard from comment #85) > (In reply to giannis.sc from comment #84) > > I seem to be having the same problem on Ubuntu and on Fedora and I stumbled > > upon an interesting discovery. > > > > My fonts are installed system-wide (/usr/share/fonts) and initially are all > > recognized by libreoffice. Once I change the default language though, in my > > case from English US to English UK the different font weight/families are > > not recognized properly. > > > > The same happens with libreoffice installed from the repositories and from > > flatpak. > > > > I though you should know as it might help you determine the source of this > > bug > > Hi, you're right, this isn't a Mac only bug: Linux bug is bug 98596. Well I know that it is not an Mac only bug. My point is I think i have found the source of the bug. I have initially installed Libreffice with the US locale and initially LibreOffice works fine recognize all fonts, weights and their families once I go into LibreOffice settings and attempt to change the language say from US to UK and upon restart it stops recognizing font families and weight. As soon I go back to the default then the problem is solved Might be worth looking into -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #85 from Thomas Linard --- (In reply to giannis.sc from comment #84) > I seem to be having the same problem on Ubuntu and on Fedora and I stumbled > upon an interesting discovery. > > My fonts are installed system-wide (/usr/share/fonts) and initially are all > recognized by libreoffice. Once I change the default language though, in my > case from English US to English UK the different font weight/families are > not recognized properly. > > The same happens with libreoffice installed from the repositories and from > flatpak. > > I though you should know as it might help you determine the source of this > bug Hi, you're right, this isn't a Mac only bug: Linux bug is bug 98596. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #84 from giannis...@gmail.com --- I seem to be having the same problem on Ubuntu and on Fedora and I stumbled upon an interesting discovery. My fonts are installed system-wide (/usr/share/fonts) and initially are all recognized by libreoffice. Once I change the default language though, in my case from English US to English UK the different font weight/families are not recognized properly. The same happens with libreoffice installed from the repositories and from flatpak. I though you should know as it might help you determine the source of this bug -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Thomas Linard changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||119085 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119085 [Bug 119085] Bundle the new "EB Garamond" font with LibreOffice -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11 ||9085 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Thomas Linard changed: What|Removed |Added CC||xan...@mailbox.org --- Comment #83 from Thomas Linard --- *** Bug 119116 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Alex Thurgood changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jrk1231...@nym.hush.com --- Comment #82 from Alex Thurgood --- *** Bug 118897 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #81 from Thomas Linard --- (In reply to LibreTraining from comment #80) > I think part of the problem is these are not looked at together. > Some of the problems appear to be font defects. > Some of the problems may be the font meta data, or lack thereof. If you think fonts have bugs, please report them to their creator (it can actually happen, but it's rare, and if the tricks around the nameID 1 & 2 that were used 15 years ago to get around the problems beyond RIBBI are no longer those in favor today, it doesn't matter, as long as the nameID 4, 6, 16 and 17, possibly 21 and 22, are correct). > Until Windows, Mac, and Linux testers are testing the same font families, > and those font families are determined to not have bugs or have been fixed, > and comparing what works and what does not work by platform, > this is just a scattershot approach. > > Bundled fonts may be "corrected/enhanced* and some issues may go away. Most of the time, proprietary licenses for fonts doesn't allow modification (and never, ever, distribution of modified fonts). So you've to deal with the fonts in the state they're in. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #80 from LibreTraining --- (In reply to Tor Lillqvist from comment #77) > This is a Mac-specific bug report. It even says so in the title. Please > don't confuse it by reporting findings on Windows here. I think part of the problem is these are not looked at together. Some of the problems appear to be font defects. Some of the problems may be the font meta data, or lack thereof. Until Windows, Mac, and Linux testers are testing the same font families, and those font families are determined to not have bugs or have been fixed, and comparing what works and what does not work by platform, this is just a scattershot approach. Bundled fonts may be "corrected/enhanced* and some issues may go away. Right now this is just random problem reports. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #79 from Thomas Linard --- (In reply to Tor Lillqvist from comment #78) > Thomas: Of course any writing can always be improved. And depending on who > one asks, one even gets different ideas how to improve it. Endless > bike-shedding possibilities! But is this bugzilla really the place to > discuss what was written in some marketing material some time ago? > > Also, yes, I don't think anybody who has worked on the code is unaware that > the handling of styles of a font family in LibreOffice could be improved a > lot, cross-platform. I only want to point out that the bug isn't about some bad fonts or some specific fonts. I've chosen three typeface families for testing (open source, no problem to download for everybody), but I could take 30, 300 or 3000 with the same kind of results. If this point is clear for everybody, fine! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 --- Comment #78 from Tor Lillqvist --- Thomas: Of course any writing can always be improved. And depending on who one asks, one even gets different ideas how to improve it. Endless bike-shedding possibilities! But is this bugzilla really the place to discuss what was written in some marketing material some time ago? Also, yes, I don't think anybody who has worked on the code is unaware that the handling of styles of a font family in LibreOffice could be improved a lot, cross-platform. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 69254] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on Mac
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69254 Tor Lillqvist changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|Correct handling of font|Incorrect handling of font |families (weight, style,|families (weight, style, |stretches) on Mac |stretches) on Mac -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
