[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 Mike Kaganski changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 ||2877 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 QA Administrators changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEEDINFO|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INSUFFICIENTDATA -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #17 from QA Administrators --- Dear Urmas, Please read this message in its entirety before proceeding. Your bug report is being closed as INSUFFICIENTDATA due to inactivity and a lack of information which is needed in order to accurately reproduce and confirm the problem. We encourage you to retest your bug against the latest release. If the issue is still present in the latest stable release, we need the following information (please ignore any that you've already provided): a) Provide details of your system including your operating system and the latest version of LibreOffice that you have confirmed the bug to be present b) Provide easy to reproduce steps – the simpler the better c) Provide any test case(s) which will help us confirm the problem d) Provide screenshots of the problem if you think it might help e) Read all comments and provide any requested information Once all of this is done, please set the bug back to UNCONFIRMED and we will attempt to reproduce the issue. Please do not: a) respond via email b) update the version field in the bug or any of the other details on the top section of our bug tracker Warm Regards, QA Team MassPing-NeedInfo-FollowUp -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #16 from QA Administrators --- Dear Urmas, This bug has been in NEEDINFO status with no change for at least 6 months. Please provide the requested information as soon as possible and mark the bug as UNCONFIRMED. Due to regular bug tracker maintenance, if the bug is still in NEEDINFO status with no change in 30 days the QA team will close the bug as INSUFFICIENTDATA due to lack of needed information. For more information about our NEEDINFO policy please read the wiki located here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Status/NEEDINFO If you have already provided the requested information, please mark the bug as UNCONFIRMED so that the QA team knows that the bug is ready to be confirmed. Thank you for helping us make LibreOffice even better for everyone! Warm Regards, QA Team MassPing-NeedInfo-Ping -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 Julien Nabet changed: What|Removed |Added CC|serval2...@yahoo.fr | --- Comment #15 from Julien Nabet --- Ok then. I don't have more arguments than those I already provided, so we just disagree here, no big deal. => uncc myself since I suppose this bugtracker will be a wontfix (or would be "worst", I mean for the author, since there "may" be all dictionaries instead of 3). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #14 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #13) > > And no, it's not about easier configuration: it's about *no* configuration > > for something. > In this case, the real problem is the lack of the configuration mechanism, > so a missing feature. I see that I am poor with communicating my ideas here. What I mean is that I don't thing we need easier configuration here. I believe that we need to *remove* this configuration at all: any, however easy, configuration is necessarily more difficult than no configuration at all. (Yes, it still may be available in advanced mode, but for practical uses, implementing my proposal is equivalent to make something to work for most people *without* *any* configuration.) That is in contrast to > So in fact the real pb is the install process of additional dictionaries which implies that we could implement some *better* mechanism for installing dictionaries, which would "solve" "real" problem. But again: the real problem here is that users need to do something at all; and making this just work *is* the correct solution of the real problem. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #13 from Julien Nabet --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #12) > (In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #11) > > It's not because SSD can contain several To that LO should become a kind of > > bloatware. > > It's a strong statement. Increased capacity of hardware comes not to just > give a warm feeling "I have it more than had yesterday". It helps solving > real problems. And there *is* a real problem that I mentioned above, that > *can* be solved using the increased capacity of modern hardware. Calling > this "bloatware" is simply trying to use emotional arguments instead of > technical. Ok it was strong but it's because it's equivalent to tell me that every binary should be built with libs in static so no need to bother about dynamic libs and their versions. Yes it would work but your binaries become far bigger. > > And no, it's not about easier configuration: it's about *no* configuration > for something. In this case, the real problem is the lack of the configuration mechanism, so a missing feature. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #12 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #11) > It's not because SSD can contain several To that LO should become a kind of > bloatware. It's a strong statement. Increased capacity of hardware comes not to just give a warm feeling "I have it more than had yesterday". It helps solving real problems. And there *is* a real problem that I mentioned above, that *can* be solved using the increased capacity of modern hardware. Calling this "bloatware" is simply trying to use emotional arguments instead of technical. And no, it's not about easier configuration: it's about *no* configuration for something. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #11 from Julien Nabet --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #10) > I would say that we should, to the contrary, simply install all languages > (UI and dictionaries), and remove the choice altogether. The only problem > here would be possible performance penalty, which should then be fixed > properly, so that installed language modules don't harm performance. It seems the same as opt-in/opt-out options for websites. Personally, I prefer opt-in instead of being forced to uncheck manually every element we don't want. > > Many people struggle installing dictionaries; they even don't know they > should re-run installer and use advanced installation, and instead install > extensions (which often gives them older dictionaries and/or problems). So in fact the real pb is the install process of additional dictionaries. The opt-out/install everything process is a workaround of this install process pb. > Having all bundled dictionaries installed is no worse than having all DLLs > installed (which was always the case); and "We do not need that junk on > their machines" is not an argument, because the increased space requirement > is not significant for current standards, while gain for inexperienced users > might be big. > ... It's not because SSD can contain several To that LO should become a kind of bloatware. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #10 from Mike Kaganski --- I would say that we should, to the contrary, simply install all languages (UI and dictionaries), and remove the choice altogether. The only problem here would be possible performance penalty, which should then be fixed properly, so that installed language modules don't harm performance. Many people struggle installing dictionaries; they even don't know they should re-run installer and use advanced installation, and instead install extensions (which often gives them older dictionaries and/or problems). Having all bundled dictionaries installed is no worse than having all DLLs installed (which was always the case); and "We do not need that junk on their machines" is not an argument, because the increased space requirement is not significant for current standards, while gain for inexperienced users might be big. For space-constrained (e.g. embedded) systems, there are separately-maintained packages anyway. See also tdf#124992 with a similar proposal (also mine) wrt help. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #9 from Julien Nabet --- (In reply to Roman Kuznetsov from comment #8) > (In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #7) > ... > There was the same author as he is in this bug report Yes but that's still relevant, adding dictionaries may be useless for lots of people. About previous proposition concerning official languages of the country, I think it would be neutral and quite objective. I mean mimicking MsOffice may not be the right choice and language teams may not be representative enough. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #8 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> --- (In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #7) > (In reply to Roman Kuznetsov from comment #6) > > I don't see any problems here. Let's keep it as is. > > > > Many Ukrainian users use Russian UI, but they can work with Ukrainian texts > > Noticing https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59370#c5, I > suppose the goal is to avoid some overbloating. > There was the same author as he is in this bug report -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #7 from Julien Nabet --- (In reply to Roman Kuznetsov from comment #6) > I don't see any problems here. Let's keep it as is. > > Many Ukrainian users use Russian UI, but they can work with Ukrainian texts Noticing https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59370#c5, I suppose the goal is to avoid some overbloating. As a French user, I noticed: fr = "fr,es" I suppose some would tell they never use Spanish or other would ask to add German or Italian dictionaries. I don't know what rules should be followed or if there's some standard. Perhaps should we only stick to official languages of the country by default? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #6 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> --- I don't see any problems here. Let's keep it as is. Many Ukrainian users use Russian UI, but they can work with Ukrainian texts -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 Julien Nabet changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jbfa...@libreoffice.org, ||michael.me...@collabora.com ||, serval2...@yahoo.fr, ||so...@libreoffice.org, ||tima...@gmail.com Status|NEW |NEEDINFO --- Comment #5 from Julien Nabet --- Sophie/Andras/Jean-Baptiste/Michael: it seems this bugtracker is the opposite of tdf#59370. Indeed tdf#59370 wants to add Ukrainian dictionary by default (+English one which hasn't been added for a reason I ignore), this one wants to remove Ukrainian dictionary by default. I don't have opinion here and I can understand both. Which criteria should we use? I mean should we take a look at MsOffice? Should we ask LO Russian team? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #4 from Urmas --- Contact l...@global.libreoffice.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 --- Comment #3 from IxI_JOKER_IxI --- !!!*** Carry this message to developers with them is simply impossible to be written off to foreigners. !!!*** Why is there no Ukrainian version of the site libra office ?? Although it has long been translated! Add it please. You have a very intricate system of reporting bugs (errors) Everything is very closed and difficult! Is it not possible to make a more friendly system? No support for the Ukrainian language ( https://translations.documentfoundation.org/uk/website/multiplanet-uk.po http://uk.libreoffice.org/ - no open(( -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 Maxim changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Severity|normal |enhancement Priority|medium |low CC|momonas...@gmail.com| See Also||https://bugs.freedesktop.or ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=59370 Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #2 from Maxim --- OK, seems like a follow-up of Bug 59370. I classify it as an enhancement, since that change was intentional. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 70659] Ukrainian dictionary is preselected in Russian locale
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70659 Maxim changed: What|Removed |Added CC||momonas...@gmail.com --- Comment #1 from Maxim --- (In reply to comment #0) > If LO is installed for the first time with Russian system locale, there is > an Ukrainian dictionary pre-selected. Confirmed using 4.1.2.3. But it also pre-selects English, Spanish, German & French. Similar happens with English locale - It pre-selects Spanish & French. So it looks for me as an intentional. Also this is what MS Office installer does (I have only the English installer, don't know what the Russian one does), so looks like LO tries to mimic MS Office installer. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
