[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 75817] Automatic styles are too persistent

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--- Comment #13 from João Paulo  ---
I confirm this behavior / bug is still present on:

Version: 7.4.0.3 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: f85e47c08ddd19c015c0114a68350214f7066f5a
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19045; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: pt-BR (pt_BR); UI: pt-BR
Calc: threaded

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--- Comment #12 from Regina Henschel  ---
The "automatic" styles belong to direct formatting. It is not a file format
error to keep them, it is allowed. But I dislike it too. Such styles should
only be there, if there are objects which use them. If you save the example
file in odt-format and then open and re-save it with Word 365, it shrinks from
13KB to 7KB, because Word does not save these useless styles.

I consider it a bug.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 75817] Automatic styles are too persistent

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Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||107326
 CC||79045_79...@mail.ru,
   ||rb.hensc...@t-online.de

--- Comment #11 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
Regina, please look at this bug. Are we sure it's a bug?


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107326
[Bug 107326] [META] Writer style bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 75817] Automatic styles are too persistent

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--- Comment #9 from QA Administrators  ---
** Please read this message in its entirety before responding **

To make sure we're focusing on the bugs that affect our users today,
LibreOffice QA is asking bug reporters and confirmers to retest open, confirmed
bugs which have not been touched for over a year.

There have been thousands of bug fixes and commits since anyone checked on this
bug report. During that time, it's possible that the bug has been fixed, or the
details of the problem have changed. We'd really appreciate your help in
getting confirmation that the bug is still present.

If you have time, please do the following:

   Test to see if the bug is still present on a currently supported version of
LibreOffice (5.0.1 or preferably 5.0.2.2 or later)
   https://www.libreoffice.org/download/

   If the bug is present, please leave a comment that includes the version of
LibreOffice and your operating system, and any changes you see in the bug
behavior

 If the bug is NOT present, please set the bug's Status field to
RESOLVED-WORKSFORME and leave a short comment that includes your version of
LibreOffice and Operating System

Please DO NOT

   Update the version field
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meaning that is not appropriate in this case)


If you want to do more to help you can test to see if your issue is a
REGRESSION. To do so: 

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2. Test your bug 
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 75817] Automatic styles are too persistent

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Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|NeedAdvice  |
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--- Comment #8 from Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com ---
Bug is confirmed and status is NEW - Removing needAdvice tag.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 75817] Automatic styles are too persistent

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João Paulo joaopauloag-freedesk...@yahoo.com.br changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 75817] Automatic styles are too persistent

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--- Comment #5 from João Paulo joaopauloag-freedesk...@yahoo.com.br ---
I can confirm this on LibreOffice 4.2.6.3 build id
3fd416d4c6db7d3204c17ce57a1d70f6e531ee21 running on Windows Vista 64 bits.

I suspected this long ago, LibreOffice just keeps adding automatic styles to
the document, so if we create a new one from an older document, it will inherit
the automatic styles and the document will be bigger and slower to parse.

It is a bug, not a enhancement, as there are people (myself included) which
don't use official templates for creating documents - the template is the last
document of the same type used. Lawyers do that when writing petitions of the
same kind (the facts are changed, but the law it's based remains the same),
judges also do that (the suit report and the judgement is changed, but the law
it's based remains the same). It also happens because, in Brazil, the petitions
don't have a defined form factor, one can use different fonts to make a better
emphasis, many times just a word or two of the sentence (which already had
emphasis) gets another emphasis by changing the body font (bold, italics, both
- I do that), the size (from 12pt to 16pt - I see others doing that), another
font entirely or even the color (from black to red, or orange - God forbid
people from using blinking letters! On a petition! LOL).

It happens a lot when doing evictions, when the consumer doesn't receive what
s/he bought etc. Also people who do write reports do that when changing a
little bit of the style to make the document feel nicer etc, sometimes it's not
the style.

Yes, I know we may change the default styles or even create new ones, but it's
just not possible to always do that because it's a slow process and we need to
be fast when writing, so we just use the formatting tools when is a little bit
change that won't be used again on the document.

At my office, we use the Flat OpenDocument format (.fodt) (better for backing
up, it is much more compressible than the zipped .odt type), but now I see
documents with almost 300Kb that, opened using Notepad++, when the contents of
the office:automatic-styles node is erased (not the node itself) and saved
as another name, the size gets back to less than 90Kb and the document is still
normally editable without errors.

So the only conclusion is LibreOffice isn't cleaning up its automatic styles,
which is a kind of memory leak. Worse still, a persistent one.

PS: May I change this bug status as confirmed? I am doing that right after
saving this comment.

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--- Comment #6 from João Paulo joaopauloag-freedesk...@yahoo.com.br ---
Just to clarify to Joel Madero:

* Default Styles are those which already comes with LibreOffice;
* Automatic Styles are those created by LibreOffice automatically every time
the user changes the formatting without using styles. LO does that because the
OpenDocument Format specs don't allow to use direct formatting, the software
has to create the illusion of direct formatting creating automatically (and
hidden) styles every time the user apply direct formatting on the document
content.

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--- Comment #7 from João Paulo joaopauloag-freedesk...@yahoo.com.br ---
To clarify even more:
http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/32602/difference-between-styles-and-automatic-styles/

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Urmas davian...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Severity|enhancement |minor

--- Comment #4 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
That is not 'enhancement'. That is a bug.

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Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard||NeedAdvice
   Severity|minor   |enhancement

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Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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Urmas davian...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEEDINFO|UNCONFIRMED
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--- Comment #2 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
Automatic styles are not default. Don't write nonsensical comments, please.

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--- Comment #3 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Urmas - don't be rude please. Again, warned.

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

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 CC||jmadero@gmail.com

--- Comment #1 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
So you want the styles to just disappear for individual documents? The default
styles that come with LibreOffice. If so I disagree with the request and will
seek additional input from devs

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