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 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #21 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Let's resolve as WFM. The clipboard operations should better remain on the
standard toolbar.

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 Status|ASSIGNED|NEW
   Assignee|philip...@hotmail.com   |libreoffice-b...@lists.free
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--- Comment #18 from Xisco Faulí  ---
Dear Yousuf Philips (jay),
This bug has been in ASSIGNED status for more than 3 months without any
activity. Resetting it to NEW.
Please assigned it back to yourself if you're still working on this.

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 Status|NEW |ASSIGNED
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   Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |philip...@hotmail.com
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   Severity|normal  |enhancement

--- Comment #14 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Put in patch to enable 'save as' - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/13060/

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--- Comment #11 from Timur gti...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #9)
Key point is: who those users were? I bet some advanced users, who take survey
at all.
I deployed LibreOffice to 500 users. I'm sure that just 1% use keyboard
shortcuts and that's Ctrl-C and Crtl-V only. 
I find myself advanced user and I still use toolbar or menu for Paste-Special.
So, when looking at the results, they can be weighted: if advanced users don't
use advanced functions in toolbar, OK, you can move it, but please don't move
some basic icons: cut, copy, paste.

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--- Comment #12 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
(In reply to Timur from comment #11)
 (In reply to Jay Philips from comment #9)
 Key point is: who those users were? I bet some advanced users, who take
 survey at all.
 I deployed LibreOffice to 500 users. I'm sure that just 1% use keyboard
 shortcuts and that's Ctrl-C and Crtl-V only. 
 I find myself advanced user and I still use toolbar or menu for
 Paste-Special.
 So, when looking at the results, they can be weighted: if advanced users
 don't use advanced functions in toolbar, OK, you can move it, but please
 don't move some basic icons: cut, copy, paste.

Plus: having no objection to remove something, doesn't mean that the people
would object if it is _not_ removed ..

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--- Comment #13 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Timur from comment #11)
 I deployed LibreOffice to 500 users. I'm sure that just 1% use keyboard
 shortcuts and that's Ctrl-C and Crtl-V only. 

What percentage of those users use the context menu for clipboard? Do these
users know that clipboard functions are available in multiple locations? Do
these users know how to copy and paste in other applications that dont have
clipboard buttons?

 I find myself advanced user and I still use toolbar or menu for
 Paste-Special.

Paste special is now in the context menu thanks to Cor. :D

 So, when looking at the results, they can be weighted: if advanced users
 don't use advanced functions in toolbar, OK, you can move it, but please
 don't move some basic icons: cut, copy, paste.

No doubt these are basic icons, but these basic features can be operated in 5
different ways - 1) edit menu, 2) toolbar buttons, 3) shortcut keys, 4) context
menu, 5) drag and drop. Othe basic icons like open, save, and print can only be
activated in 3 ways (menu, toolbar, shortcut key). So eliminating the less used
method of accessing the clipboard functions from the toolbar is a benefit to
everyone, as it allows other highly used buttons functions to be added which
users primarily go into the menu to access.

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #12)
 Plus: having no objection to remove something, doesn't mean that the people
 would object if it is _not_ removed ..

Yes they are indifferent of the change, which means less people to yell at us
for the change. :D

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--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
Here is a conclusion of what we plan to do:
http://user-prompt.com/de/standard-toolbar-in-libreoffice/

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--- Comment #8 from Timur gti...@gmail.com ---
I really hope the removal will NOT be done, and hiding also. We should think on
less proficient users here. 
I use Paste toolbar button for Paste Special. I noticed that the captions
should be changed in case when a table is about to be pasted in Writer.
Now, we have: calc8, DDE link...also GDI metafile. Can this be described
better?
If this button will stay, we may come with some proposals.

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  Component|Writer  |Libreoffice

--- Comment #9 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
So Heiko and I created a survey to ask online users about their clipboard usage
behaviour, which was held at 
http://user-prompt.com/how-do-you-want-libreoffices-toolbar-configured/ . We
also replied to comments made by participants, which can be found at the bottom
of the blog post.

So the results of Heiko's survey showed that 8% of respondents used the toolbar
for clipboard functionality, with the largest amount of respondents being
keyboard shortcut users (77%).

When asked whether they agreed to the hiding of these functions in the toolbar,
49% agreed with their removal and 16% agreed with the removal of just the copy
and cut buttons. One of the respondents stated in a comment that he wanted
access to the paste button as it has easy access to paste special, which i
replied to stating that paste special is now present in the context menu.

With 8% of respondents being toolbar clipboard users, which falls in the 5 to
10% range i stated in the bug description, i believe that these buttons can be
removed for all libreoffice modules. But i have suggested that this be
postponed to the release after 4.4, as many good changes are already coming to
the toolbars in the 4.4 release and hopefully we can gather more data through
Kendy's user data logging during the 4.4 release cycle.

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--- Comment #6 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org ---
Having two slightly different Save buttons seems overkill to me. I’d rather
stick to the current Save icon, which doubles as Save and Save As (when the
file isn’t saved to disk).

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--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
Word break is not a standard command since its useless on other tools than
Writer. Rest +1.

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--- Comment #4 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3)
 Word break is not a standard command since its useless on other tools than
 Writer. Rest +1.

This bug is limited to just Writer's toolbar. :)

I hope to suggest doing this removal in the standard toolbar of other modules
in the future when i've gone through their OOo stats, so i can recommend useful
button replacements. Save As would always be a good replacement button in any
of the modules, but Text Frame isnt, as it is already visible in Impress and
Draw.

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--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
To my understanding the standard toolbar is standard in all applications, more
or less.

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--- Comment #7 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5)
 To my understanding the standard toolbar is standard in all applications,
 more or less.

There is some standardization from the new button to the format painter button
between the various apps/modules, but not after that.

(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #6)
 Having two slightly different Save buttons seems overkill to me. I’d rather
 stick to the current Save icon, which doubles as Save and Save As (when the
 file isn’t saved to disk).

As they have two different function, 'Save' overwrites the currently open
document and 'Save As' allows you to save to a new file and also in a different
format, there might be some initial confusion because the icons look similar. I
would compare this same confusion for a user looking at print and print
preview, as well as spellcheck and autospellcheck. Luckily we have our faithful
old tooltips to help guide users to better understand what the icons do and we
have also the ability to modify the icon. :D

One noticeable different that users will easily notice about the two icons is
that when they open a document, 'Save As' will be clickable and 'Save' wont be.
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--- Comment #2 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
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toolbar before and after

Here is a before and after screenshot of the standard toolbar with the removal
of the cut, copy and paste buttons and the addition of the save as, page break,
and text box buttons.

As the paste button is a group button, it takes up 1.5 times the size of a
regular button, so there is sufficient room to add a fourth button. So i think
the basic shapes group button (.uno:BasicShapes) would be very useful to add,
as it would bring some basic drawing features to the standard toolbar, similar
to how it is available in the toolbar/sidebar of other word processors (iWork
Pages, WordPerfect, Calligra Words).

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from Emir Sarı bitig...@openmailbox.org ---
I also support this change, a positive one.

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