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--- Comment #17 from Telesto  ---
Is this already on the radar of Heiko? Sounds like kind of GSoC (or me affected
by wishful thinking) 
If this is not enough substance, combine it with toolbar widgets or something
like that. The welding is done..

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--- Comment #11 from Dave Barton  ---
Created attachment 128191
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AOO can do it.

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--- Comment #14 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #13)
>  LibreOffice went a different direction.

And in LibreOffice because the UI is no longer statically laid out in .src, a
much more diverse set of configurations is possible. A UI framework that
actually allows the flexible reconfiguration and user customization that folks
appreciate.

Getting the Sidebar implemented in .UI was just a starting point and is far
from perfect (see bug 65138), implementing multiple Sidebar decks to hold
content panels as analogs to source based dialogs is just one of many features
to be implemented.  

As a feature I think it is important, but so are many other UI efforts. When
implemented there will likely be options to enable or disable the default
behaviors of each Deck and to hold that configuration in profile so each user
can have the UI they prefer.

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--- Comment #13 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Dave Barton from comment #12)
> AOO inherited the sidebar from IBM and (for those who wanted it) made good
> use of it. LO acquired the sidebar from AOO and inflicted it on it's users,
> almost to the point of excluding any other option.

Hmm, those aren't the facts. Andre Fisher (an IBM Germany dev wroking on the
Apache Open Office project) carefully merged the Symphony contribution with
existing OOo task panel to become the Sidebar.

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/the_sidebar_new_and_improved
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121420
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122257


> In AOO we can have the original floating windows (or decks as our design/UX
> have chosen to rechristen them, or "multiple deck instances" as V Stuart
> Foote comment 8 wants them to be known), but in LO they have be locked into
> the sidebar.

Sorry, that was what Andre Fisher named them in documentation and as
implemented in the source code.

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:SidebarNames.png

> I propose that we provide our users with an option to select if they want to
> be locked into the sidebar, or have the option of the original
> floating/docked windows in the same way as provided by AOO, as illustrated
> in the attached screen capture.

That is what this issue is requesting. But first the framework must be in place
to support multiple decks. The OP is one of the lead devs for the UI, it is
already on the dev & UX to do list as time and priority allow.

> In comment 3 Jan Holesovsky says "we have to do it our own way :-)". I say
> "We have to do it in a way that satisfies our users" and the "one size fits
> all" commits in Bug 73151 is not that.

No, you've misunderstood the implications. Essentially all of the UI in
LibreOffice has been migrated to GTK based .UI xml configuration--a large
percentage of the UI implemented in source code widgets no longer exists for
the project. AOO remains source code widget based and the dialogs, panels and
toolbars that make up the UI are all implemented in source. LibreOffice went a
different direction.

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--- Comment #12 from Dave Barton  ---
AOO inherited the sidebar from IBM and (for those who wanted it) made good use
of it. LO acquired the sidebar from AOO and inflicted it on it's users, almost
to the point of excluding any other option.
In AOO we can have the original floating windows (or decks as our design/UX
have chosen to rechristen them, or "multiple deck instances" as V Stuart Foote
comment 8 wants them to be known), but in LO they have be locked into the
sidebar.
I propose that we provide our users with an option to select if they want to be
locked into the sidebar, or have the option of the original floating/docked
windows in the same way as provided by AOO, as illustrated in the attached
screen capture.
In comment 3 Jan Holesovsky says "we have to do it our own way :-)". I say "We
have to do it in a way that satisfies our users" and the "one size fits all"
commits in Bug 73151 is not that.

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--- Comment #5 from Harald Koester harald.koes...@mail.de ---
(In reply to bugzilla2 from comment #2)

 Just tested 4.4 beta 1, and was very frustrated by not being able to pin the
 format templates (Formatvorlagen in German) pane/deck/window (whatever
 you want call it) ALONE to the right side of the window, as it was possible
 until 4.3.x.

I complained about this already in bug 88757. According V Stuart Foote it is
intended that the sidebar tabs are always visible if the templates deck is
displayed.

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--- Comment #6 from Harald Koester harald.koes...@mail.de ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4)
 *** Bug 88853 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

In bug 88853 I proposed to allow to display more than one deck at the same
time. For me this is independently if the decks are floating (as proposed here
by Samuel) or docked. If the decks are docked it should be possible to display
them either side by side or oppositely at the right and left side of the
working area.

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--- Comment #7 from Harald Koester harald.koes...@mail.de ---
(In reply to bugzilla2 from comment #2)

 If I use the sidebar to view the format templates (or style sheets?), then
 close the document and reopen, the sidebar again contains the properties
 pane, not the format templates. I use the format templates pane very
 often, and don't want to activate it every time again, I open a new document

See bug 65351.

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--- Comment #8 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
(In reply to Harald Koester from comment #6)
 In bug 88853 I proposed to allow to display more than one deck at the same
 time. For me this is independently if the decks are floating (as proposed
 here by Samuel) or docked. If the decks are docked it should be possible to
 display them either side by side or oppositely at the right and left side of
 the working area.

Sorry, exposing additional Decks--docked or undocked--is functionally the same
task. The code is not at that point and the sidebar would need to be refactored
to allow multiple decks in multiple states controlled from a single Tab bar.
Also, at present there are only two docking locations top right (default) and
top left, multiple positions along right or left edges would probably need to
be provided.  Work is also needed to make Sidebar stateful-- bug 65351

True, by design, at present an instance of the Navigator F5, and the
Sidebar's Navigator content panel can be open--the same code, but the instances
are not linked.  On the other hand pressing F11 Styles and Formatting, or its
toolbar button, will shift the Sidebar to the Styles and Formatting content
panels in the Deck. Only the Sidebar deck, docked or not, is created.

Handling multiple deck instances as in OP, is the correct enhancement.  

=-ref-=
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:SidebarNames.png

As implemented, the Sidebar consists of the Deck  Title, holding one or more
Content panels with titles, and the Tab bar holding the selection tabs for each
mode available in the active LibreOffice component.

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--- Comment #3 from Jan Holesovsky ke...@collabora.com ---
Samuel: I doubt we can use code from Symphony; if we want to implement this, we
have to do it our own way :-) - but would be great if you can spend some time
on that...

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--- Comment #2 from bugzil...@cb-computerservice.at ---
I can only vote for that bug ;)

Just tested 4.4 beta 1, and was very frustrated by not being able to pin the
format templates (Formatvorlagen in German) pane/deck/window (whatever you
want call it) ALONE to the right side of the window, as it was possible until
4.3.x.

If I use the sidebar to view the format templates (or style sheets?), then
close the document and reopen, the sidebar again contains the properties
pane, not the format templates. I use the format templates pane very often,
and don't want to activate it every time again, I open a new document :/

Interestingly, the navigator pane still cane be pinned to the left side WITHOUT
the sidebar stuff around, bit the same doesn't apply to the format templates
(F11).

For me - regression compared to 4.3.x.

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--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
This is going to be some work I'd bet, but this is needed to further enhance
Sidebar function.

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