[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED CC||c...@nouenoff.nl Resolution|WONTFIX |--- --- Comment #13 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl --- Note: the change in Calc also affects the tabs in Draw, where vertical space is precious too. I'll reopen this and then mark as fixed because of the commit of Tomaz - thanks for that! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 foss f...@openmailbox.org changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||regression --- Comment #15 from foss f...@openmailbox.org --- regressions are regressions, adding keyword -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #14 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl --- see comment #12 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 --- Comment #16 from Andy silva...@katamail.com --- I would like to thank everybody for the interesting discussion on the issue. While everybody's opinion on it has some merit and should not be rejected on a priori basis, I am glad to see that I am not the only one who does have some reservations on irreversible changes that are not too smart regarding screen real estate, particularly on the vertical axis , which has been strongly sacrificed on late PC for reasons that have more to do with movies and games display than anything else. So thank you for the effort/patches/fixes, I will be glad to try and check them out when 4.5 is at the RC stage. To those who showed some irritation towards my comments, implying that it was too late to raise the issue now, I am soory for that but I would like only to point out that as a user I am not involved in the engineering discussions that take place about every detail (nor I could be, I have another job), so that very often I am only aware of a change that has been discussed for a long time when it reaches RC stage (that's normally the moment when I update my install of LO). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 --- Comment #12 from Commit Notification libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org --- Tomaž Vajngerl committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to master: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=12d37f92507ab66fd519a68a2479e1cd7136cf74 fdo#87684 option to make tabbar inline with scrollbar again It will be available in 4.5.0. The patch should be included in the daily builds available at http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More information about daily builds can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 Commit Notification libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org changed: What|Removed |Added Whiteboard|| target:4.5.0 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 --- Comment #9 from Andy silva...@katamail.com --- Hi, I am here again because I wanted to suggest a possible simple solution to make everybody happy on this topic: At first I did some trials to see what configuration was best for me after the separation of horizontal scroll bar and tab list. I came to the conclusion that I did not actually need the horizontal scroll bar so often: even if we are all used to it, I very seldom use more than a couple of pages of cell columns (say about 30 - max 40 columns) horizontally. Since on this limited scale scrolling is easily performed moving the active cell with the left and right arrow keys, I could most of the times do without the Horizontal scroll bar. However, while in Writer you can do the same and insert in a toolbar a button to quickly show/hide the horizontal scrollbar if needed, the same button is not available for Calc. At present, to hide/show it you have to open the Settings dialog window, go to the right tab, etc. etc. which is definitely unfeasible on a high frequency basis. If such a button were available in Calc too, all would be well: when, like me, the user strongly values space for data display, he will keep the scroll-bar hidden, showing it with the button only when convenient. And I suppose that the addition of such a button to those available for Calc toolbars should be an easy task. Thanks, -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 --- Comment #10 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu --- @Andy, *, (In reply to Andy from comment #9) ... If such a button were available in Calc too, all would be well: when, like me, the user strongly values space for data display, he will keep the scroll-bar hidden, showing it with the button only when convenient. Any Spreadsheet table is by default much larger than any typical display screen so the Scroll-bar widgets are auto enabled and will always be an expected default UI function. You say you'd want non-display of scroll bars to be your norm--but that is a UI configuration not normally achieved with a toggle button. In fact, the scroll bar(s) have always had a configuration control in each module. In Calc, for those like yourself who might prefer to keep the extra spreadsheet table space (and depend on cursor and page movement) the scroll bars are easily disabled. Done from, Tools - Options - LibreOffice Calc - View: with a separate check box for Horizontal Scroll bar, Vertical Scroll bar. A toolbar or menu item button to toggle behavior would be possible. But frankly a button or menu item seems superfluous given the continued ease of configuring UI behavior in the View for each module. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 --- Comment #11 from Andy silva...@katamail.com --- Thanks for listening. Yes, I know very well that you can hide/show each scroll bar with a specific setting in the options dialog window. I actually noted it in my previous post, maybe you've missed the clause: ...At present, to hide/show it you have to open the Settings dialog window, go to the right tab, etc. etc. which is definitely unfeasible on a high frequency basis The fact is that the horizontal scroll bar for me is not needed so often to keep it there all the time, but still it is needed often enough that going into the option settings each time you want to show it momentarily is way too long. A toolbar button would instead allow to instantly use it to move where you need to go in the sheet, then hide it again in no time. After all, the toolbar button is there for the same scroll bar in Writer, why should there be a difference between the two applications? I hope to have made things clearer now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 --- Comment #8 from Adolfo Jayme (UX) f...@libreoffice.org --- (In reply to Andy from comment #6) By the way, a similar change was made a few years ago in Impress, where the five tabs (normal, structure, etc) for slide display modes could have been easily put together with the horizontal scrollbar (even more than in Calc, since they are fixed in number and size and occupy just a fraction of the line where they are), but take instead their own space which is an empty and totally unused part of the UI (see attachment to clarify, space circled in red). Thanks. While we’re not planning to move these tabs out of their row, we want to improve their placement to reduce the wasted space. See bug 73077. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 --- Comment #6 from Andy silva...@katamail.com --- Of course the prevailing opinion has to . prevail, so I won't take it to the streets to protest this. However let me add just one note: one of the things all M$ Office users admire and appreciate when they see me using LO is the vast and uncluttered work area; as you probably know just as well as I do, M$ Office standard interface (which is left as it is by 98% of users just out of laziness) has lately become so cluttered with big menus object etc. that you have the ridicolous situation where, unless you have a retina resolution screen, you can just see a dozens lines of cells of you spreadsheet or, in the same way, you write something in Word and can look at no more than a few lines if text at a time. This is made even worse by the present days screens who tend to be extremely landscape, while most workflows like writing or using data on a spreadsheet are really vertically intensive affairs. For example, the right side tools now available in LO and OO are a perfectly rational solution to this absurdity - and moreover, they are completely optional. On the contrary, forcing the user to give up some further space in the vertical dimension, as it happens here, is IMHO a much less smart move. By the way, a similar change was made a few years ago in Impress, where the five tabs (normal, structure, etc) for slide display modes could have been easily put together with the horizontal scrollbar (even more than in Calc, since they are fixed in number and size and occupy just a fraction of the line where they are), but take instead their own space which is an empty and totally unused part of the UI (see attachment to clarify, space circled in red). I notified that as well at the time, but if was declined in the same way. UI design is a really important part of an app, and I am no professional of course on this topic; however I feel that having some space in it which is empty and an unavoidable part of it is not really smart in general. I thank you for the attention anyway! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 --- Comment #7 from Andy silva...@katamail.com --- Created attachment 111365 -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=111365action=edit the unused space in the UI design of Impress is circled in red -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists | |.freedesktop.org| Component|ux-advise |UI Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #3 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org --- Oh, a jewel: this results in an absurd stripe It’s not unknown that every feature introduced will be seen as a “bug” (even a “regression” [of what?]) by some. It’s impossible to please everybody. This was a desired change, with a proper design rationale behind it (and desirable technical outcomes as well, such as supporting overlay scrollbars in OS X and Linux), already signed off by a UX designer (Mirek), we won’t just revert it right now when the change has not even yet shipped in a major stable release. And no, we also won’t clutter the program’s source code and Preferences UI with more options — we’re trying to go the opposite way: simplifying it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 m.a.riosv mari...@miguelangel.mobi changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mari...@miguelangel.mobi --- Comment #4 from m.a.riosv mari...@miguelangel.mobi --- At first I didn't like too much also, but after a bit of use, besides easier work with tabs. I think the major benefit is that now it's an option set up in the OS the width/height of scrollbars without worry about the tabs size, specially if you like thin scrollbars. I'm agree, about that we already have a lot of them. More options more tickets for trouble. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu --- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu --- +1 as designed, and for WONTFIX... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 A (Andy) stgohi-lob...@yahoo.de changed: What|Removed |Added CC||stgohi-lob...@yahoo.de --- Comment #1 from A (Andy) stgohi-lob...@yahoo.de --- An explanation for the reason can be found on: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4 - see Tab Changes in the GUI section But maybe an additional customisation option can be added as suggested by Andy, where the user can decide which form he/she would like to use. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI regression: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684 tommy27 ba...@quipo.it changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC||ba...@quipo.it, ||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org Component|Spreadsheet |ux-advise Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #2 from tommy27 ba...@quipo.it --- let's see what the UX-team thinks about it. status NEW -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
