[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88974] [RTL] Outline numbering not shown correctly

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*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 73933 ***

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--- Comment #21 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to meh from comment #20)
> srry, It was mistake!
> Can i edit the comment? I don't see any edit option!

No, comments can't be edited. If you have new info, just post a new comment. I
can clean up our off-topic comments so they are collapsed by default.

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 Status|ASSIGNED|NEW

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srry, It was mistake!
Can i edit the comment? I don't see any edit option!

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--- Comment #19 from Buovjaga  ---
meh: you set this to "assigned" - will you attempt to fix this problem?

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 Status|NEW |ASSIGNED

--- Comment #18 from meh  ---
The bug is still present on

 Version: 5.1.5.1
 Build ID: 1:5.1.5~rc1-1
 OS Version: Linux 4.6 (Debian testing)

In RTL, outline numbering is left to right as @Oribasht have said before.

eg. (Ignore 'ر')
   ر   ۲- چرخه استخراج
ر ۲-۱ باطله برداری
  ر ۲-۲ آماده سازی 
ر ۲-۳ آتش باری
st and nd captions:
ر نگاره ۲-۱: نمونه اول
ر نگاره ۲-۲: نمونه دوم

And in Persian books we often see '-' instead of '.'

I don't know much about unicode characters but i think if you let user change
the 'dot' separator between numbers (somewhere like in 'Bullets and Numbering'
> Options > Separator > Before and After), there will be no more problem in
outline numbering.

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*** Bug 98104 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #15 from Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org ---
(In reply to Oribasht from comment #14)
 (In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #12)
  One way to achieve the desired effect (which is reasonable, since the period
  here is not a decimal separator) is to insert ”U+200E LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK”
  next to the period in the numbering style options. Whether LibreOffice
  should provide such a style by default (is an option) is a question for
  others to answer, but IMHO we should.
 
 Thank you for your answer. But I can't figure out how where to insert the
 LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK. Could you give more details please?

Inputting it directly depends on your operating system and input method, but
you can use a character map application (e.g. Gucharmap) to look it up and copy
it from there.

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--- Comment #12 from Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org ---
One way to achieve the desired effect (which is reasonable, since the period
here is not a decimal separator) is to insert ”U+200E LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK” next
to the period in the numbering style options. Whether LibreOffice should
provide such a style by default (is an option) is a question for others to
answer, but IMHO we should.

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--- Comment #14 from Oribasht tobias_ripper...@yahoo.fr ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #12)
 One way to achieve the desired effect (which is reasonable, since the period
 here is not a decimal separator) is to insert ”U+200E LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK”
 next to the period in the numbering style options. Whether LibreOffice
 should provide such a style by default (is an option) is a question for
 others to answer, but IMHO we should.

Thank you for your answer. But I can't figure out how where to insert the
LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK. Could you give more details please?

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Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|NEW
 Resolution|INVALID |---
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--- Comment #13 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
My arab friend also stated the same, so setting this to NEW.

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Beluga todven...@suomi24.fi changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |INVALID

--- Comment #11 from Beluga todven...@suomi24.fi ---
It seems this change request is not in line with the established way of doing
things (including MS Office), so the report will have to be closed as INVALID.

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--- Comment #9 from Oribasht tobias_ripper...@yahoo.fr ---
Please, can any person help fixing this bug? I need the outline to work
correctly.

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--- Comment #10 from Amir Adar adar.a...@yahoo.com ---
(In reply to Oribasht from comment #3)
 But in RTL languages, numbering SHOULD BE RTL, or it will lead to confusion.

Are you sure of that? In Hebrew, numbering and numbers are ALWAYS LTR. It is
widely agreed-upon and understood, and therefore no confusion is caused: you
simply read the numbers ltr, and the rest of the text rtl.

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--- Comment #7 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Oribasht, I am aware of what you have been saying is expected, I was asking of
an external example showing that what is expected is the correct way to display
it. Like an example from a publish arabic book, etc.

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--- Comment #8 from Oribasht tobias_ripper...@yahoo.fr ---
I am sorry but I have no examples.
I don't see where the difficulty lies. It is exactly the same logic as english,
except that it should be read from right to left.

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--- Comment #6 from Oribasht tobias_ripper...@yahoo.fr ---
Created attachment 113077
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An image showing what is expected.

OK, I have added another image (More.png) showing what is expected.

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--- Comment #3 from Oribasht tobias_ripper...@yahoo.fr ---
Mathematically speaking, numbering should always be LTR.

But the problem is when you use numbers to indicate titles and subtitles. In
english, it is LTR indeed. 
But in RTL languages, numbering SHOULD BE RTL, or it will lead to confusion
(2nd title and 1st subtitle, or 1st title and 2nd subtitle?).

I totally agree that in mathematics, numbers and operations are always LTR. But
I am talking about subtitling, which is completely a different aspect.

Thank you for your understanding.

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Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Please show an example from another source that arabic numbering is shown in
the way that you describe.

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--- Comment #5 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
I just tested word 2013 and it acts the same way. I checked with my arab friend
he said that arabs normally use '1.a, 1.b, 1.c' (of course a, b and c are in
the arabic alphabet) instead of '1.1, 1.2, 1.3' to work around this issue.

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Beluga todven...@suomi24.fi changed:

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Version|4.4.0.3 release |Inherited From OOo
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from Beluga todven...@suomi24.fi ---
Confirmed already in 3.3.0.

Win 7 Pro 64-bit Version: 4.5.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: 4b9a9ce8a0e5e0716dad9a9ec87d16237e534dc2
TinderBox: Win-x86@39, Branch:master, Time: 2015-01-31_09:49:44

Ubuntu 14.10 64-bit
LibreOffice 3.3.0 
OOO330m19 (Build:6)
tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4

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Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
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 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #2 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Arabic and english numbers are written LTR so this is NOTABUG.

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