[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 94425] UI: Triggers to Automatically Open Sidebar

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Not much interest in this topic, unfortunately. I agree with Jay that we must
not force the user into a specific workflow. Read several comments voting for a
UI as clean as possible. Additionally, the sidebar shows up for styles so users
should be aware of this feature. And last but not least it's unclear to me how
such a mechanism would get implemented. For example in what situation should
the page deck be opened. Putting all together I close this ticket as NAB.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 94425] UI: Triggers to Automatically Open Sidebar

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--- Comment #8 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
With the easy ability to enable sidebar mode (bug 101249) for users who want to
use libreoffice in this manner, i think this enhancement should be closed.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 94425] UI: Triggers to Automatically Open Sidebar

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 94425] UI: Triggers to Automatically Open Sidebar

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--- Comment #6 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to Luke from comment #5)
> > I would assume sidebar users would always have the sidebar open and if they
> > close/hide the sidebar to momentarily free space
> Not in my case. Since other apps that use sidebars will automatically pop
> them up when they are relevant, I keep them closed mostly so I can focus on
> the content.

What you described isnt what i would classify as a typical sidebar users and
what MSO utilizes as a sidebar is different to what LO has as a sidebar. LO's
sidebar is comparable to the sidebar found in iWork and Calligra.

> > If you think that sidebar users would like to have the option to change the 
> > behaviour of double click
> Yes, I do. The default could be off until more dialogs are put into the
> sidebar.

Dont think this default should ever change and doubt many additional dialogs
will be added to the sidebar that would likely change this situation. There
will always be users who dont want to use the sidebar, so we shouldnt force the
sidebar to pop open unless they have specifically asked this to happen.

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--- Comment #5 from Luke  ---
> I would assume sidebar users would always have the sidebar open and if they
> close/hide the sidebar to momentarily free space
Not in my case. Since other apps that use sidebars will automatically pop them
up when they are relevant, I keep them closed mostly so I can focus on the
content.

> They are doing this for a limited set of things where they can fit
> everything that was in a dialog into the sidebar. 
Mostly, but MSO 2013 still has many rarely used dialog options that are not
available on the sidebar. For example advanced paragraph and style sheet
options can only be set in dialogs. 


> If you think that sidebar users would like to have the option to change the 
> behaviour of double click
Yes, I do. The default could be off until more dialogs are put into the
sidebar.

Ease of discoverability is at the heart of all good UX designs, which is why I
think this is an important feature.

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--- Comment #2 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
Hi Luke,

As use of the sidebar is a choice for a user, we shouldnt open it unless the
user requests for it to be opened. If the user chooses to use the sidebar, then
it will be open when they go in chart edit mode and they will see the features
it offers. The sidebar wont have all the features available in the dialog, so
users will still be opening the dialog to access such features.

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--- Comment #3 from Luke  ---
> As use of the sidebar is a choice for a user, we shouldn't open it unless the 
> user requests for it to be opened.

For Those users that don't want this, we could make it optional as I described
above.

> If the user chooses to use the sidebar, then it will be open when they go in 
> chart edit mode and they will see the features it offers. 

I choose the sidebar, but close it to free up space. I don't want the dialog
boxes blocking my content when I double click. I want the sidebar when it
supports those features. Without doing this, you're forcing the old dialog box
system on users that want the sidebar. If I need some rarely used item, the
dialogs will still be accessible through the the menu and toolbars. 

Both WPS Office and MS Office have switched from a double click opening a
dialog window to now displaying the options on the side. With the prevalence of
widescreen monitors, it's a superior interface design.

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--- Comment #4 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to Luke from comment #3)
> I choose the sidebar, but close it to free up space. I don't want the dialog
> boxes blocking my content when I double click. I want the sidebar when it
> supports those features. Without doing this, you're forcing the old dialog
> box system on users that want the sidebar. If I need some rarely used item,
> the dialogs will still be accessible through the the menu and toolbars. 

I would assume sidebar users would always have the sidebar open and if they
close/hide the sidebar to momentarily free space, they would open/unhide the
sidebar soon after. If you think that sidebar users would like to have the
option to change the behaviour of double click to always open the sidebar, then
it may be a useful feature for add and users can turn that on in Tools >
Options or through the sidebar settings context menu.

> Both WPS Office and MS Office have switched from a double click opening a
> dialog window to now displaying the options on the side. With the prevalence
> of widescreen monitors, it's a superior interface design.

They are doing this for a limited set of things where they can fit everything
that was in a dialog into the sidebar. LO's sidebar wont likely have this.

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--- Comment #1 from Luke  ---
> but as soon as they click on one of the properties that the sidebar can edit

Should read, as soon as they *double click* on one of the properties that is
well handled by the sidebar. 


Currently double clicking opens a window that gets in the way. Instead, I'd
rather see the sidebar opened.

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