[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96487] Expose tracked changes to ATs via accessible objects and attributes

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To make sure we're focusing on the bugs that affect our users today,
LibreOffice QA is asking bug reporters and confirmers to retest open, confirmed
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There have been thousands of bug fixes and commits since anyone checked on this
bug report. During that time, it's possible that the bug has been fixed, or the
details of the problem have changed. We'd really appreciate your help in
getting confirmation that the bug is still present.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96487] Expose tracked changes to ATs via accessible objects and attributes

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Referenced Bugs:

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[Bug 83946] [META] Bugs for tracking changes
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--- Comment #5 from rob.steij...@gmail.com ---
Good day, 

First: please excuse my English, I'm Dutch.

I can imagine that this question/bug/enhancement tip is already asked a million
times by other editors, but I couldn't find it.

The one reason for using MS Word is because of the track changes feature. All
my clients (publishers) ask me to edit manuscripts using this feature. When
using it, it is crucial that the changes 'overwrite' the original text: only a
red stripe next to the edited line indicates a change, and of course I can make
it visible when desired ('show all changes', in Dutch).

After using Libre Writer for the first time, and trying out the track changes
feature, a message warned me of possible slow down. What!? And indeed, typing
while using track changes, feels like my keys are pressing through thick sirup. 

Could you please offer a track changes option that doesn't slow me down? I'm
forced to keep using Word untill this is fixed.

Thanks!
   Rob Steijger (www.fzeven.nl)

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--- Comment #4 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Buovjaga from comment #3)
> Accerciser interface seems somehow hopeless. There is no way to locate a
> wanted node by searching for content like "world".

Ok, now I am a wiser after reproducing another report.
The key to an uncluttered Accerciser experience is to launch it after creating
everything in LibO.

Regarding the authorship information: the tooltip seems gone, it is true.
Sighted users can use Edit - Track changes - Manage changes to view author
info.
I went to examine it in Accerciser and it does show the info as node names
(type table cell).

Joanmarie: do you think this is "worksforme" now?

For future testers:
In the node view you should have:
Untitled (frame)
-[no title] (panel)
--Untitled (root pane)

and then a whole bunch of nodes.

Now look at the panel with 3 children. It has a child that is "scroll pane".
This scroll pane has a child of the type "document text".
This document text has a child of the type "paragraph".

64-bit, KDE Plasma 5
Build ID: 5.1.2.2 Arch Linux build-1
CPU Threads: 8; OS Version: Linux 4.5; UI Render: default; 
Locale: fi-FI (fi_FI.UTF-8)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96487] Expose tracked changes to ATs via accessible objects and attributes

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--- Comment #3 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Joanmarie Diggs from comment #2)
> You can see this in the Interface viewer by expanding Text (Editable).

So what to do, if it is greyed out and Not implemented? Do I have to be in some
specific node of soffice? If yes, how to find it?

Accerciser interface seems somehow hopeless. There is no way to locate a wanted
node by searching for content like "world".

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96487] Expose tracked changes to ATs via accessible objects and attributes

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Joanmarie Diggs  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEEDINFO|UNCONFIRMED
 Ever confirmed|1   |0

--- Comment #2 from Joanmarie Diggs  ---
> Results:
> 
> 1. Visually, there is a vertical bar to the left of the changed paragraph.
> But there seems to be no way for ATs to identify the paragraph has changes.

This part seems to have been addressed via text attributes. (Interface Viewer
-> Text(Editable)). So this part is no longer a problem.

> 2. If you hover the mouse over the deleted, inserted, or formatted text, a
> tooltip provides sighted users information about the nature of the change,
> who made the change, and the time the change was made. None of this
> information seems to be exposed to ATs.

I'm no longer seeing the tooltip. So it's hard to illustrate the absence of
accessible information for something which is absent. :)

The nature of the change is in the text attribute now (part 1 above). But if
the author who made the change and the time the change was made is something
that sighted users can see, what I would suggest you do to reproduce it is use
the interface viewer to explore all aspects of the paragraph (expand
accessible, expand hypertext, expand text, ) and find it. If you thoroughly
explore all possible things in Accerciser related to the paragraph and cannot
find the author and time, then odds are Orca won't be able to find it either.

> 3. The accessible text is "HelloGoodbye cruel world" (which, when spoken by
> a screen reader, is confusing).

You can see this in the Interface viewer by expanding Text (Editable).

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--- Comment #1 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Joanmarie Diggs from comment #0)
> 4. Use Accerciser to examine the accessible paragraph with the changes

How can I find it with Accerciser?

Set to NEEDINFO.
Change back to UNCONFIRMED after you have provided the information.

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