[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes - QA related - TSC call 2012-01-26
Hi, you can find a summery from my point of view concerning QA related discussion of the Engineering Steering Committee on http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/RBd/TSC_Call_Minutes Best regards Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes - QA related - TSC call 2012-01-26
My plain opinion about this: all developers should focus on fixing regressions. And then on fixing bugs. And only after that in adding new features/bugs. Simply put: Regressions + Bugs cause to LOOSE existing users. If someone upgrades to get rid of a bug that was present in his current install and finds that it is fixed but other features that he needed stopped working, what action should he take? Go back? Wait? If someone bothered to report a bug, you can damn well believe that many more have found this problem. According to TDF Libreoffice has millions of users. Yet only a few (dozens?) bother to report bugs. Most users that try a free software if they find an obstacle they simply uninstall it. Very few will bother to find a solution. Even less will bother to report it. Only a rare minority of these will actually register in the tracker and actually report it. How to improve this? Eliminate all bugs *. Eliminate barriers to reporting bugs. * I know this is an utopia. But you can still set it as a target. Just my 2 (non-dev) cents Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Minutes-QA-related-TSC-call-2012-01-26-tp3695662p3695713.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] preparing QA talk for FOSDEM
Op 27-01-12 16:17, Cor Nouws schreef: Hi Nino, Nino Novak wrote (27-01-12 15:09) Personally I have the impression / concern that Quality is getting one of the main challenges of LibreOffice as it seems to decrease more and more I disagree with you. And it's not an answer to my serious question. Sorry about that. Seems you guys talk opinion wise. Could we have some facts ? Luc attachment: luc_castermans.vcf___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes - QA related - TSC call 2012-01-26
Hi Rainer, all Rainer Bielefeld-2 wrote If we could do more intensive Master testing to find regressions very soon after they appeared might ease that. Activity concerning regression fixing increased during last year, and in 2012 currently we also have approximately 1 regression fix per day. More intensive testing is not the problem. Your TSC summary shows there are still 80 regressions. At a rate of 1 fix per day that would take over 2.5 months. The problem is that there is a new release each month (sometimes 2 releases in the same month) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan It is reasonable to expect that these new builds will have more features (especially the 3.6.x) so new bugs and new regressions will be added... And since for each pre-release period, which happens monthly, the priority are the blockers, regressions will tend to accumulate and overall quality to decrease as mentioned by Nino on this topic (I agree with him) http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-preparing-QA-talk-for-FOSDEM-tp3691881p3691881.html So, again, I think that as boring as it might be for the devs, they should concentrate on the regressions... I am well aware that this is a voluntary project and that everyone has the freedom to do whatever they feel like... but as a project that doesn't seem to work (especially with such an ambitious release schedule). IMO you can't be free and ambitious... Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Minutes-QA-related-TSC-call-2012-01-26-tp3695662p3696041.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes - QA related - TSC call 2012-01-26
Pedro schrieb: More intensive testing is not the problem. Your TSC summary shows there are still 80 regressions. At a rate of 1 fix per day that would take over 2.5 months. Hi, I am afraid that is too optimistic; Oct-Dec 2011 115 regressions have been fixed, but during the same time 64 new ones appeared. This year until now 26 regression Bugs have been fixed, 22 new ones came up. But the positive fact is that acceptance to see regression bugs as Most Annoying Ones by definition is growing. Best regards Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
