Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Insulting comments in bug reports: what should we do?
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Roman Eisele p...@roman-eisele.de wrote: I have considered that, but I was not sure who should do it; I don't think that I have the authority to write to anyone and to reprimand him. Sure you do, like everybody else. 'Community standard/Decency' are best enforced by the community at large. A private mail to 'tune down on the Ad Hominem', if that is not effective a public one (in bugzilla in that case)... and if that still does not work _then_ raise that to a more formal process. (BoD) Norbert ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC2 test builds available
Hi *, for the upcoming new version 3.6.0, the RC2 builds now start to be available on pre-releases. This build is slated to be second release candidate build on the way towards 3.6.0, please refer to our release plan timings here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.6_release Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab them here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ If you've a bit of time, please give them a try report *critical* bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect feedback. NOTE: This build is in a release configuration and _will_ replace your existing LibreOffice install on Windows. The list of fixed bugs relative to 3.6.0 RC1 is here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-6-0-release-3.6.0.2.log So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated - and validation that those bugs are really fixed. Thanks a lot for your help, Fridrich ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On 12/07/12 17:55, Michael Meeks wrote: * Windows / ldap (Fridrich) + porting from mozilla ldap library to native windows API + moving to openldap included for linux / generic builds Done. Mozilla is not used for LDAP stuff in master anymore. For windows, it is winldap.h with the UTF-16 api and for *nix it is openLDAP with UTF-8 encoding. That means we have some level of ifdef-ing in one file, but given the nature of the API, it was lesser evil then to add whole C++ abstraction. + leave mozilla code for addressbook integration, and/or re-write to avoid big chunk of mozilla bundled Mozilla is also used for Outlook Express (WAB) address-book and for Outlook address-book via MAPI. For windows, there is a (deprecated) API to access Windows Address Book using wab32.dll. The MAPI API is also present on windows, so to make 2 distinct address-book drivers for Windows might be reasonably feasible. For mozilla/thunderbird addressbook, there seems to be a solution that does not require the whole beast and thus no xpcom eating CPU time. For Linux, there is libpst that is able to read outlook contacts and somehow old libwab that knows how the WAB format looks. They are GPL-licensed thus, so not directly usable. + use NSS for security pieces F. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On 19/07/12 11:09, Fridrich Strba wrote: On 12/07/12 17:55, Michael Meeks wrote: and/or re-write to avoid big chunk of mozilla bundled Mozilla is also used for Outlook Express (WAB) address-book and for Outlook address-book via MAPI. For windows, there is a (deprecated) API to access Windows Address Book using wab32.dll. The MAPI API is also present on windows, so to make 2 distinct address-book drivers for Windows might be reasonably feasible. For mozilla/thunderbird addressbook, there seems to be a solution that does not require the whole beast and thus no xpcom eating CPU time. For Linux, there is libpst that is able to read outlook contacts and somehow old libwab that knows how the WAB format looks. They are GPL-licensed thus, so not directly usable. on my Linux master build with --enable-mozilla i've got the following address books: - LDAP Address Book - Seamonkey Address Book - Thunderbird/Icedove Address Book so apparently Outlook [Express] is not a currently supported feature on non-Windows platforms, and if we offer it only on Windows in the future it's not a regression. i personally don't think supporting it on non-Windows platforms is all that useful, because i assume that people only use these Address Book drivers on a live address book that they actively maintain in their mail client; generally Linux/Mac users don't use Outlook as a mail client because of its limited platform support. thus it should be acceptable to let Linux/Mac users use their Outlook [Express] address books by first importing them into e.g. Thunderbird on Linux (possibly indirectly by first importing into Thunderbird on Windows), and then accessing that via the newfangled Mork driver; they would have to import it into a Linux mail client anyway if they want to use it to send mails. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Insulting comments in bug reports: what should we do?
On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 19:33 +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: may be, but as Alex said, I also see such slips from time to time and some latent aggressiveness (and also rather good work). Right - it is worth bearing in mind that if someone has had their document data lost / corrupted by some bug or other - they are unlikely to be in the most balanced state of mind when the file and/or comment on similar bugs :-) Personally, I dislike offensive comments - they make me internally de-prioritise that particular bug :-) so somewhat counter-productive. I still think that all hard rules to police politeness will eventually turn out to be a terrible idea ;-) instead it's better to have a set of people who gently clue-bat offenders and understand their pain. People care passionately about LibreOffice - and that's a good thing :-), and they have high goals for it which is good too - until those goals seem to be blocked. My hope would be that most of these comments would eventually be in closed bugs that no-one ever looks at - no doubt that is everyone's goal :-) HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: * Pending Action Items + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) Done ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 04:50:28PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * cppunit / build issues (Stephan/Moggi/Michael) + indifferent about --disable-xmlsec + only intended for iOS / Android currently, should not be used on Linux. + configure should check fail if this option is set for non iOS / Android We use --disable-xmlsec for mingw builds too (it most probably means libxmlsec does not cross-compile with mingw ATM; I do not remember). * MSI cross-compilation from Linux (Tibby) + been merged to master + java enabled / compilation issues + help with build process / location of uuidgen using undocumented parameters etc. What is the exact problem here? Note that the uuidgen binary from util-linux is not the one to use. There is another one (at least in Fedora) called uuid (from package uuid), that seems to be command-line-option-compatible with the Windows' uuidgen.exe . There is even a check for it in configure, but it only issues warning if it is not found (if we are going to always generate the MSI, it should be changed to error). D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: * 4.0 - when to call it that ? (Kendy) + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 + too much to do in one six-month section IMNSHO, most of the stuff on that page can be accomplished in small, easy chunks, with a minimum of disruption: For each piece, create an EasyHack that looks like: (a) create new methods, namespaces, etc. that fix the problem (b) mark old stuff as deprecated http://stackoverflow.com/questions/295120/c-mark-as-deprecated (c) let the compiler point out the places that need changing (d) leave the old stuff for a couple of releases, and then start a rolling delete ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 16:50 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: AI: + review updated license / dos (Caolan, Bjoern) Looked ok to me, I then miscounted the reviews and pushed this to 3-6-0 (*shrug*) C. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 04:50:28PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * gerrit update (Bjoern) + syadmin team for gerrit have an alias: ger...@otrs.documentfoundation.org please use sparingly for agreed issues or service outages. + OTRS being deployed generally for sysadmin ticketing The reasoning here being not that I dont like the tool, but that we once its in, its not that easy to openly discuss in it. So good tickets: - Please give commiter rights to foo, he is doing great - OMG! gerrit is down! - gitweb doesnt work on project foo Bad tickets: - I dont like the style and have not discussed this anywhere, but please make the default font Comic Sans -- the code looks cutier with it Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
