Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Esc Call Notes

2012-09-14 Thread Roman Eisele

Am 13.09.12 18:20, schrieb Joel Madero:

These are just a few of the things that pertained to QA



 5. MAB
 1. There really shouldn't be any put to 3.7 from what I understood


Well, if and only if a bug
* is NEW in the 3.7 daily builds (i.e., is not reproducible in 3.6) and
* is really annoying,
it _should_ be added to the LibreOffice 3.7 Most Annoying Bugs list:

  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54157

For details about our MAB procedure, please see

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Most_Annoying_Bugs

Best regards,

  Roman

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Esc Call Notes

2012-09-14 Thread Mas
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 These are just a few of the things that pertained to QA

1. Calc (3.6) crashing
   1.  bugs discussed, we need to go through the Unconfirmed and
   verify. The NEW ones are being looked at by the developers
2. HardHacks
   1. Previous email sent out, we need to finalize the process
   2. Developers have gone through the hard hacks, a continuous list
   is preferred (max of 5-7 bugs at a time, refilling these as they are 
 taken
   care of is best
   3. See previous email for suggestions
3. Triaging
   1. Begged for more help for back log ;), some interested but
   suggestion of bug hunting session. Time difference could be an issue, 
 can
   someone else in Europe try to arrange this? If it's over the weekend I 
 may
   be able to join, otherwise very hard
   2. There are 30ish students from Hungary (I believe?) doing
   development, asked for more EasyHacks to work on, I suggested that maybe
   they could help triage and maybe find their own EasyHacks (not sure what
   the result of this was)
4. EasyHacks
   1. Like above, need more EasyHacks marked, people are available to
   deal with them but there aren't enough out there
   2. My comment: I'm seeing things marked as EasyHack without the
   entire list of things that we usually should put for easy hack
   (particularly bt if possible, and some direction as to where to look in 
 the
   code)
5. MAB
   1. There really shouldn't be any put to 3.7 from what I understood
6. Resolved Status
   1. Only mark as Resolved if it's resolved in latest stable, not if
   it only works in latest master (a comment can be put in if it's working 
 on
   latest master)
   2. WORKSFORME unless you know for sure the bug was assigned and
   dealt with by a developer, in which case ask them to mark as RESOLVED -
   FIXED or mark it yourself (again only if you're sure that it wasn't just
   coincidentally fixed, or just works for you and you're not sure if the
   particular bug was dealt with)
7. Issues regarding rudeness on FDO
   1. Michael dealt with the one case, banning a user is probably more
   problematic than it's worth.
   2. Creating a wiki page (Joel) to kind of address this, something
   along the lines of What is not useful in reporting a bug

 I think that was about it, if I missed something, my apologies.


 Best Regards,
 Joel



I have a question about the old Bug ticket dating back to 2011. How long
should we keep a ticket open if we are requesting additional information on
the ticket. is it safe to resolved them to resolvedinvalid ?



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Esc Call Notes

2012-09-14 Thread Andras Timar
2012/9/13 Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com:
 There are 30ish students from Hungary (I believe?) doing development, asked
 for more EasyHacks to work on, I suggested that maybe they could help triage
 and maybe find their own EasyHacks (not sure what the result of this was)

There have been 13 since last year (not 30). I've got 0-5 in one time,
currently I have 1, he is working on fdo#41737. I would love, if
students could find their own EasyHacks, but in most of the cases they
need guidance. They work on the project only for 6 weeks, and this is
very short. I was thinking of putting not-so-great coders on bug
triage, but I did not do that. They need to produce code in the first
place. When new students come, probably I'll do it a little bit
different, and have them work ~1 hour a day on bug triage. I think
that would make a difference.

Best regards,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] odf_validation bugs

2012-09-14 Thread Gustavo Pacheco
Hi Michael!

I have two web instances of ODF validators here:

- ODF Toolkit based
   http://odf-validator2.rhcloud.com/odf-validator2/

- Office-o-tron based
  http://odf-validator2.rhcloud.com/officeotron-0.7.0/

Maybe it can be useful for you.

Best!
Gustavo Pacheco.


2012/9/14 Michael Stahl mst...@redhat.com

 dear QA people.

 it has come to my attention that a bunch of ODF validation bugs were
 mis-handled variously this week.

 please note:

 1. these bugs are about ODF files that LO writes that are not valid
according to the OASIS ODF specification; whether or not LO or any
other application can open the bugdoc without apparent loss of
content is not at all relevant and does not merit closing the bug

 2. there should be one bug for each invalid element or attribute that is
written; these are most likely caused by entirely unrelated bugs in
the export filter, and resolving all of them as duplicate is about as
helpful as resolving all crash bugs as duplicate of a single LO
crashes bug

 3. http://opendocumentfellowship.com/validator appears to
support only ODF 1.0 which makes it useless

 4. apparently the only known web instance of the ODF Toolkit
ODF validator is currently down; therefore i've built the thing from
source and uploaded it here[1], you can run it via java -jar
odfvalidator*.jar odf-file-or-directory...; please note it defaults
to the conforming mode for 1.2 files so set your Office to version
1.2 without extensions, or use -e option (extended conforming)

 5. please add odf odf_validation to the whiteboard if a validation
bug doesn't have these yet

 thanks,
  michael

 [1]

 http://people.freedesktop.org/~mst/odfvalidator-1.1.6-incubating-SNAPSHOT-jar-with-dependencies.jar

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Please Triage These (Bugs from 2011)

2012-09-14 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Joel Madero schrieb:

There are 12 bugs from 2011 that haven't been triaged.


Hi all,

yes, it's very important that we do not forget old bugs, thanks to 
Joel for reminder.


But may I ask you to concentrate on tests for 3.6 for the next time, at 
least until 3.6.2.2 is out? The time period between the RC has been 
increased to enable QA to do more tests, and it's important that that 
chance will be used.


Today we still have more than 250 UNCONFORMED bugs for 3.6 reported 
since 2012-08-01, what urgently need review:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=doremremaction=runnamedcmd=362triagesharer_id=19321

Additionally MozTrap should be used for rc testing, this tool needs our 
attention.


When the stressful pre 3.6.2 period is over we can obliterate those old 
UNCONFIRMED slurs  in order to convalesce. I added a reminder to Jeols 
mail in my calendar.


Best regards

Rainer


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[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.2 RC1 available

2012-09-14 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is happy to announce the first release
candidate of LibreOffice 3.6.2. The upcoming 3.6.2 will be the second
in a series of frequent bugfix releases, for our feature-packed 3.6
branch. Please be aware that LibreOffice 3.6.2 RC1 is not ready for
production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.6.1 for that.

The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
builds download page at

  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla:

  https://bugs.freedesktop.org

A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some
specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details:

 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test

 (and the announcement mail: 
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-December/022464.html)
 
For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can
e.g. contribute code:

  http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/

translate LibreOffice to your language:

  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3.5

or help with funding our operations:

  http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/

A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 3.6.2 RC1 is available
from our wiki:

  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.6.2/RC1

Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having
contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have
been possible without your help.

Yours,

The Document Foundation Board of Directors

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