Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Should we use the "QA Contact" field?

2012-09-20 Thread Rainer Bielefeld 

Roman Eisele schrieb:


Is there now a consensus, or a tendency towards a
consensus, that we actually should use the “QA Contact” field?


Hi,

I don't think so, and I don't see any benefit what we can have from 
adding people there.


I know that Joel adds himself for some tracking needs
,
I do no know details.

Currently I can't see any benefit from using that field, I even did not 
know that we have a problem for what that field can be a solution?!


I recommend not to use QA Contact field before
1. You have a problem
2. discussed and agreed on a solution
3. Added some hints in the Wiki
4. Published that.

If everybody indulges private likings that will make queries unreliable.


Best regards

Rainer

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Volunteer required for Libreoffice-qa mailing list administration

2012-09-20 Thread Mas 
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Rainer Bielefeld <
libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de> wrote:

> Rainer Bielefeld schrieb:
>
>  a volunteer is required
>>
>
> Hi all,
>
> together with Thorsten I decided that volunteer Florian, who already has
> some more experience in the project, should do the job.
>
> @Hashem Masoud
> Thank you for your offer and your contribution to the LibreOffice project.
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Rainer Bielefeld
>
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Thanks , this should be added to the QA wiki page . So we will know who
does what


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Should we use the "QA Contact" field?

2012-09-20 Thread Mas 
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Roman Eisele  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> recently I noticed that some of us start actually using the “QA Contact”
> field, which was neglected for a long time. So I think I must have missed
> something. Is there now a consensus, or a tendency towards a consensus,
> that we actually should use the “QA Contact” field? Should I put myself
> (actually, my mail address ;-) into that field if I “take” a bug for QA,
> i.e. when I feel as the (most) responsible bugwrangler for a particular
> bug? I will be happy to do so, I just want to know if this is recommended
> now ...
>
> Thank you for any hints, and best regards --
>
> Roman
>


I will assign my name to the QA if I am actively working the ticket. or if
I am researching the issue more. This will let others know the ticket is
being look into by the QA

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[Libreoffice-qa] Should we use the "QA Contact" field?

2012-09-20 Thread Roman Eisele 

Hi all,

recently I noticed that some of us start actually using the “QA Contact” 
field, which was neglected for a long time. So I think I must have 
missed something. Is there now a consensus, or a tendency towards a 
consensus, that we actually should use the “QA Contact” field? Should I 
put myself (actually, my mail address ;-) into that field if I “take” a 
bug for QA, i.e. when I feel as the (most) responsible bugwrangler for a 
particular bug? I will be happy to do so, I just want to know if this is 
recommended now ...


Thank you for any hints, and best regards --

Roman
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Volunteer required for Libreoffice-qa mailing list administration

2012-09-20 Thread Rainer Bielefeld 

Rainer Bielefeld schrieb:


a volunteer is required


Hi all,

together with Thorsten I decided that volunteer Florian, who already has 
some more experience in the project, should do the job.


@Hashem Masoud
Thank you for your offer and your contribution to the LibreOffice project.

Best regards


Rainer Bielefeld
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-09-20 Thread Michael Meeks 

On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 18:19 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 04:24:09PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> > * Present:
> > + propose new Difficulty: DifficultyHard
> 
> Eek, multiple questions on that:
> - What would be the difference to "DifficultyInteresting" in hard
> and objective terms?

Why does it have to have hard and objective terms ? Most reasonable
people can make a distinction between a beginner problem: ie. something
almost anyone can pickup and do as their very first commit ever, from
something that requires a little experience, from something that takes a
week of work [eg.] :-)

> - How do we make sure we would all judge the EasyHack the same way as either
>   "DifficultyBeginner", "DifficultyInteresting" and "DifficultyHard"?

Is it the end of the world if we cannot ? :-)

> If we cant sufficiently safely make the second answer a "yes" without
> generating a huge wikipage describing the process of judging an EasyHack in an
> objective manner, the finegrained classification is worthless as it will be
> inconsistent.

A rough measure of Severity / Importance is not intrinsically useless
in my view for it's rough-ness. Not all ladders should have only two
rungs ;-) We could add a rough guideline (like the above) in a paragraph
to the wiki page easily enough if even that is needed.

>  If we need a huge wikipage, a/ we have already lost b/ we have
> hours of bikeshedding on that in front of us.

How about avoiding the bikeshedding altogether & just restoring the
original(?) three-way categorisation of difficulty :-)

> > AI: + add/adapt the wiki page / generation scripts (Bjoern)
> 
> Rejecting, and invoking "you touch it, you own it" on Michael. ;)

So - how does that magic bugzilla <-> wiki page generation thing work ?
is that documented somewhere ? I'm happy to do it if you hand-hold me -
though there is a risk that that takes longer.

ATB,

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-09-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 04:24:09PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> * Present:
>   + propose new Difficulty: DifficultyHard

Eek, multiple questions on that:
- What would be the difference to "DifficultyInteresting" in hard and objective
  terms?
- How do we make sure we would all judge the EasyHack the same way as either
  "DifficultyBeginner", "DifficultyInteresting" and "DifficultyHard"?

If we cant sufficiently safely make the second answer a "yes" without
generating a huge wikipage describing the process of judging an EasyHack in an
objective manner, the finegrained classification is worthless as it will be
inconsistent. If we need a huge wikipage, a/ we have already lost b/ we have
hours of bikeshedding on that in front of us.

> AI:   + add/adapt the wiki page / generation scripts (Bjoern)

Rejecting, and invoking "you touch it, you own it" on Michael. ;)

Best,

Bjoern
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-09-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 04:24:09PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
>   + gerrit - patch abandonment can only be done by owner or gerrit admin 
> (Bjoern)

please drop, nothing actionable there
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-09-20 Thread Kohei Yoshida 

On 09/20/2012 11:24 AM, Michael Meeks wrote:

   48366   All Calc/xlsxFILEOPEN for particular .xlsx impossible, 
"General Error"
AI: + opens fine in master, crashes in libreoffice-3-6 (Kohei)


Just identified and backported the relevant fix from master to the 3-6 
branch with my sign-off.  I was originally a fix from Muthu.


https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ad52a6453ff612409123db29dc74a9071789aab

I'll create another thread requesting a backport to 3-6-2.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Call for Hard Hacks

2012-09-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen 
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:47:15AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Sorry for the late notice but this is a call for hard hacks. If you have
> one please reply. Hard hack should be:
> 
> 1. Relatively hard ;)
> 
> 2. The more users affected the better
> 
> 3. CONFIRMED (please, no unconfirmed bugs)
> 
> 4. If there is an included backtrace in fdo that is a +

This table has unresolved bugs with a stacktrace by Windows stacktracing hero
bfo:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=priority&y_axis_field=bug_severity&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&resolution=---&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfieldvalue=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&field0-0-0=commenter&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=bfo.bugmail&field0-1-0=attachments.description&type0-1-0=substring&value0-1-0=WinDbg+session&format=table&action=wrap

see also: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47652

Best,

Bjoern
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[Libreoffice-qa] Sorry for more unconfirmed bugs from 2011 ...

2012-09-20 Thread Roman Eisele 

Hi Joel et all.,

I am sorry but there are again some UNCONFIRMED bugs from 2011 :-(

Why?

While browsing all NEW bugs for Mac OS X, I have noticed quite some bugs 
which have never been confirmed by anybody else besides the original 
reporter. This also means that these issues have never been reviewed, 
checked for completeness, duplicates etc., and therefore I was 
determined to do my duty as a careful bugwrangler and to set the Status 
field of these bugs back to UNCONFIRMED. :-(


I will try to reproduce some of these bugs soon and so to move them from 
UNCONFIRMED status again to NEW or whatever may be appropriate, but 
being a careful (maybe sometimes hesitant) reviewer who double-checks 
most things, I can not do all this work on my own in the next weeks, so 
help (*) by other Mac OS users is always appreciated ;-)


Best regards,

Roman


(*) How to help? Just browse the list of UNCONFIMED bugs for Mac OS:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?op_sys=Mac%20OS%20X%20%28All%29&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=LibreOffice&list_id=132121

Of course, this list also contains quite some “hard” cases which have 
often been tried to confirm (and very probably really exist!), but have 
never been reproducible, probably because they depend from some unknown 
additional condition ...

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[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.7 RC1 available

2012-09-20 Thread Thorsten Behrens 
Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is happy to announce the first release
candidate of LibreOffice 3.5.7. The upcoming 3.5.7 will be the seventh
in a series of frequent bugfix releases for our 3.5 code line. Please
be aware that LibreOffice 3.5.7 RC1 is not yet ready for production
use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.5.6 for that.

The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
builds download page at

  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla:

  https://bugs.freedesktop.org

A good way to assess the beta quality is to run some specific manual
tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details:

 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test

 (and the announcement mail: 
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-December/022464.html)
 
For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can
e.g. contribute code:

  http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/

translate LibreOffice to your language:

  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3.5

or help with funding our operations:

  http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/

A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 3.5.7 RC1 is available
from our wiki:

  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.7/RC1

Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having
contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have
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