Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA, testing and branches...

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro píše v Út 29. 01. 2013 v 03:22 -0800:
 Hi all
 
 While trying to check if the import personal data is indeed fixed (see
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57061) I have come across a
 daily build problem.
 
 I downloaded a daily build from the 3.6 branch (hopefully it has the same
 functionality as the released 3.6.5.2...) but was unable to get a recent
 build for LOdev 4.0.0.2+
 
 As of Jan 23 all builds in /daily/libreoffice-4-0/Win-x86@6 are from the
 4.0.1 branch and not from 4.0.0

There are only small differences between 4.0.1.0+ and 4.0.0.3 builds.
The branch libreoffice-4-0-0 has been created less than 2 weeks ago. All
critical and safe fixes should be there as well.

The bad news is that we currently do not have enough build machines to
build all branches. The good news is that we are going to spend some
donated money in this area, so it should get better later this year.


Best Regards,
Petr

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Designed image

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro píše v St 30. 01. 2013 v 09:24 -0800:
 alvaro.ricon wrote
  Recently I have designed an image with LibreOffice, and I could not  
  export it decently to an image format file. It looses a lot of  
  quality, even running Impress presentation. The maximum quality that I  
  obtained saving this image was exporting it as PDF.
  
  I hope it would be a problem solved in the new LibreOffice 4.0.
 
 This is not an appropriate question for the QA list.
 I would suggest
 http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/questions/
 
 You are correct that there is a NASTY bug in Impress. In fact it looks even
 WORSE in presentation mode under 4.0 than in 3.6.4...
 
 However Exporting your image as PNG works perfectly (you probably need to
 increase Resolution and Width/Height).
 
 Curiously the Export to SVG which is also a vector format is awful in both
 versions!
 
 This needs to be reported as SEVERAL bugs...

This is the right step forward. Could you please open new bug at
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/, attach the test document there, and
shortly describe there the problem? 

Best Regards,
Petr

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Text for mass changed - Proposal 1

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Mladek
Florian Reisinger píše v So 26. 01. 2013 v 15:44 +0100:
 Hi!
 
 Here my first proposal for the mass changes template:
 ---
 Dear bug submitter, 
 
 
 We recognized that your bug is in NEEDINFO state for an
 unusual long time. This may has happened in error or, and that
 is more likely, we asked for information.
 
 
 If you think, that this bug doesn't deserve the NEEDINFO
 state, please leave a comment. We  are very sorry, that we
 don't have the possibility to take a look at every single bug
 individually, but we really try to investigate every activity
 this bug as soon as possible. A member of our voluntary QA
 team has been added to this bug as QA-Contact.

It is a good start. Well, I feel a lot of uncertainty from the message.
I understand what you want to say but it is not a good signal for users.
I think that we could sell the idea and keep the face :-)

1. We are going to use a well defined criteria for the mass change = we
should mention the real limit, e.g. 30 days, 6 months, or whatever we
decide on.

2. We should highlight that we are not able to move forward without the
extra information. It is important because we are going to close such
bugs if the information is not provided.

3. You are right that the bug might be in the NEEDINFO state by mistake
and we should not close it. It is good to admit such situation but we
need not say that such mistakes are because there are not enough
resources. I am sure that we would be able to do it manually. It would
just take longer time. I think that it is not worth the effort, though.

So, the message might consist from three parts: situation + action
describing the typical situation, disclaimer describing the potential
mistake.


--- cut ---
This bug has been in NEEDINFO state for more than 'XXX'. The
information is important to solve the bug.

We close this bug for now. Feel free to reopen it together with the 
requested information.

This is automatically generated change. It is possible that the bug was
in NEEDINFO state by mistake. In this case, just reopen the bug,
please. 
--- cut ---

Heh, I am not a marketing guy. I am sure that it is possible to say the
idea using much better and user friendly words. Maybe, something between
your and mine approach :-)

Best Regards,
Petr

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[Libreoffice-qa] Poor migration of user profiles to LO 4 (was: What are Preferences when moving from 3.x to 4.x?)

2013-02-04 Thread Stephan Bergmann

[getting the dev list into the loop]

On 02/04/2013 12:39 PM, Stephan Bergmann wrote:

On 02/01/2013 06:21 PM, Pedro wrote:

I just updated LO from 3.6.4.3 to 4.0 rc3
Thanks to the patch from Stephan Bergmann
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57061) some items are now
migrated to 4.0

Items migrated: User Data, View preferences (such as icon theme and size)
Items NOT migrated: Recent Document list, Extensions

Is this expected? Shouldn't it pick up all items so that you continue
from
where you left off?


I just updated https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57061#c27,
comment 27 to  Not all personal data imported during install from /3
User Profile, with some rationale and details.


Quoting https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57061#c27:

In general, what parts of an old user profile are migrated is 
controlled by configuration settings in the 
/org.openoffice.Setup/Migration tree (see 
officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Setup.xcu).  The data that is 
present there is apparently mostly what had been there for the migration 
from OOo 2 to OOo 3 already.  The reason why certain parts of a user 
profile had been excluded from migration back than are probably lost to 
history.


Note that this user profile migration code already kicked in on Linux 
during the LO 3 timeframe, when 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9276f7d5740a28b342db2a9bcd8644ff2f4f5742 
'fdo#32263' moved the location of the user profile from ~/.libreoffice/3 
to ~/.config/libreoffice/3 and 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6b522673373797bbf53d795d53e0ec45175a5d67 
'default config location has changed, look in old config dir when 
migrating' enabled LO's migration code to migrate from an existing 
~/.libreoffice/3 to a new ~/.config/libreoffice/3.


Therefore, at least my assumption would have been that that migration 
worked acceptably, or else (Linux) users would already have complained 
when upgrading from old LO 3 versions (that used ~/.libreoffice/3) to 
newer LO 3 versions (that used ~/.config/libreoffice/3) about settings 
getting lost.  However, re-checking that now, things like the list of 
recently used documents indeed were not migrated back then, either. 
Apparently nobody looked at the migration machinery in detail, whether 
it works acceptably for migrating individual settings to a new LO 4 user 
profile.


I'm not sure what our position should be on that.  Given that it didn't 
work any better in the Linux case discussed above, do we consider this 
good enough?  Or is it severe enough to consider it a blocker for 4.0.0?


In any case, I'm personally not familiar enough with the various stuff 
actually stored in the user profile (apart from the extension stuff, for 
which I checked that it should be generally covered) to judge what to do 
about it, so I would ask people who do know specifics about certain 
parts of the user profile to step in.


Stephan
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Poor migration of user profiles to LO 4 (was: What are Preferences when moving from 3.x to 4.x?)

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Mladek
Stephan Bergmann píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 12:54 +0100:

 Quoting https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57061#c27:
 
 In general, what parts of an old user profile are migrated is 
 controlled by configuration settings in the 
 /org.openoffice.Setup/Migration tree (see 
 officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Setup.xcu).  The data that is 
 present there is apparently mostly what had been there for the migration 
 from OOo 2 to OOo 3 already.  The reason why certain parts of a user 
 profile had been excluded from migration back than are probably lost to 
 history.
 
 Note that this user profile migration code already kicked in on Linux 
 during the LO 3 timeframe, when 
 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9276f7d5740a28b342db2a9bcd8644ff2f4f5742
  
 'fdo#32263' moved the location of the user profile from ~/.libreoffice/3 
 to ~/.config/libreoffice/3 

 I'm not sure what our position should be on that.  Given that it didn't 
 work any better in the Linux case discussed above, do we consider this 
 good enough?  Or is it severe enough to consider it a blocker for 4.0.0?

IMHO, it is not a blocker but it would be nice to improve it in the
upcoming bugfix releases.

I think that it is not a blocker because it partly works. It was good
enough for Linux in the past and I am not aware of complaining users.
Finally, It might take some time until we solve all the missing parts
and potential bugs. Finally, the .0 release is intended for early
adopters and might include even annoying bugs.

 In any case, I'm personally not familiar enough with the various stuff 
 actually stored in the user profile (apart from the extension stuff, for 
 which I checked that it should be generally covered) to judge what to do 
 about it, so I would ask people who do know specifics about certain 
 parts of the user profile to step in.

Is it mostly about modifying the include/exclude parts in
officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Setup.xcu? Or do you think that
some more extensive coding is necessary, please?

Best Regards,
Petr

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Poor migration of user profiles to LO 4

2013-02-04 Thread Stephan Bergmann

On 02/04/2013 02:04 PM, Petr Mladek wrote:

Stephan Bergmann píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 12:54 +0100:

Quoting https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57061#c27:

In general, what parts of an old user profile are migrated is
controlled by configuration settings in the
/org.openoffice.Setup/Migration tree (see
officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Setup.xcu).  The data that is
present there is apparently mostly what had been there for the migration
from OOo 2 to OOo 3 already.  The reason why certain parts of a user
profile had been excluded from migration back than are probably lost to
history.

Note that this user profile migration code already kicked in on Linux
during the LO 3 timeframe, when
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9276f7d5740a28b342db2a9bcd8644ff2f4f5742
'fdo#32263' moved the location of the user profile from ~/.libreoffice/3
to ~/.config/libreoffice/3

I'm not sure what our position should be on that.  Given that it didn't
work any better in the Linux case discussed above, do we consider this
good enough?  Or is it severe enough to consider it a blocker for 4.0.0?


IMHO, it is not a blocker but it would be nice to improve it in the
upcoming bugfix releases.


But note that such improvements in LO 4.0.x will only benefit users who 
didn't already install LO 4.0.0.



I think that it is not a blocker because it partly works. It was good
enough for Linux in the past and I am not aware of complaining users.


I guess https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57061 qualifies 
as one.



In any case, I'm personally not familiar enough with the various stuff
actually stored in the user profile (apart from the extension stuff, for
which I checked that it should be generally covered) to judge what to do
about it, so I would ask people who do know specifics about certain
parts of the user profile to step in.


Is it mostly about modifying the include/exclude parts in
officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Setup.xcu? Or do you think that
some more extensive coding is necessary, please?


I would assume that it is indeed mostly about the former.

Stephan
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What are Preferences when moving from 3.x to 4.x?

2013-02-04 Thread Pedro
Stephan Bergmann-2 wrote
 Can you be more specific about extensions not being migrated?  In 
 general, they should be.

I installed a Portuguese dictionary for All users under 3.6
It doesn't show up on the Extension Manager list.

Pedro



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[Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Conference Call - February 8th, 2013 - 1400 UTC

2013-02-04 Thread Joel Madero
Hi All,

Our next conference call details are below, currently the agenda is empty,
I'll be working on it over the next couple days, feel free to add new items.

Date: Friday, February 8th, 2013
Time: 1400 UTC
Duration: ~1 hour

Current agenda  Call In Instructions: http://wiki.**
documentfoundation.org/QA_**Call_Current_Agendahttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Current_Agenda

Open to everyone, feel free to call in and just listen or to share your
thoughts on QA procedure.


Best Regards,
Joel

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Mladek
Joel Madero píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 08:00 -0800:
 Do we have a consensus on this? I'd like to pitch our idea to ESC this
 week if possible. Don't want this to die and fade away into the abyss
 of thoughts that didn't pan out ;)

To be honest, I am a bit confused by the different opinions. 

My understanding is that we want to proceed and close the bugs.
The open questions are:

   1. how old bugs should get proceed:
- from 30days to 6 months
- it is unclear what is preferred by most people

   2. whether to send any warning before
- 1 or none
- 1 is more polite but it creates traffic
- it unclear how many people are for what solution

   3. if we do the warning, it unclear how long to wait with closing the
  bug after the warning:
- 7 days, 30 days, or even longer?
- only Rainer supports 7 days; others prefer longer time but
  I am not sure if they did not talk about the time before
  sending the 1st warning

Of course, we also need to decide about the messages but we first need
to decide about the process itself.

A good solution might be voting on this mailing list.


Best Regards,
Petr

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-04 Thread Joel Madero
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote:

 Joel Madero píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 08:00 -0800:
  Do we have a consensus on this? I'd like to pitch our idea to ESC this
  week if possible. Don't want this to die and fade away into the abyss
  of thoughts that didn't pan out ;)

 To be honest, I am a bit confused by the different opinions.

 My understanding is that we want to proceed and close the bugs.
 The open questions are:

1. how old bugs should get proceed:
 - from 30days to 6 months
 - it is unclear what is preferred by most people

2. whether to send any warning before
 - 1 or none
 - 1 is more polite but it creates traffic
 - it unclear how many people are for what solution

3. if we do the warning, it unclear how long to wait with closing the
   bug after the warning:
 - 7 days, 30 days, or even longer?
 - only Rainer supports 7 days; others prefer longer time but
   I am not sure if they did not talk about the time before
   sending the 1st warning

 Of course, we also need to decide about the messages but we first need
 to decide about the process itself.

 A good solution might be voting on this mailing list.


+1, I say let's vote. And thanks for the succinct summary.

Are we agreed that the closing of bugs should be done (aside from the
details of how)?

Let's start with that, if general agreement is yes, we'll move forward with
specific details (I think we should vote per item to allow discussion if
it's needed).

If we agree that closing bugs need done, I can at least present the idea
during the ESC call to give developers a chance to respond. I know there
are some concerns about the mass emails that will happen upon closing them.


Best Regards,
Joel


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-04 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Hi all,

I had the plan to write down some thoughts concerning your plans to do 
an other mass close, but I wasn't  in the mood to do that. Due to my 
experience with bug wrangling in general and similar actions we did in 
LibO Bugzilla, for my personal work I only expect (smaller) 
complications, and  I am very very doubtful that we will get any benefit 
at all of such an action. So I don not want to waste my spare time for 
an action what seems to be completely useless ore even damaging to me.
You already did lots of discussion concerning details of proceeding, but 
I can't see any reasoning for what a mass close might be useful.


I will not invest any time for this action until I hear at least 1 
passably conclusive argument concerning fair and checkable benefit the 
project and / or my (or other power bugwranglers') work will receive by 
such a mass close.


This 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/NeedinfoClosure#Why_we_aredoing 
this? is not an argument.


Best regards

Rainer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-04 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi, so I seem to state out my opinion first...



Am 04.02.2013 um 18:11 schrieb Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com:


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote:

 Joel Madero píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 08:00 -0800:
  Do we have a consensus on this? I'd like to pitch our idea to ESC this
  week if possible. Don't want this to die and fade away into the abyss
  of thoughts that didn't pan out ;)

 To be honest, I am a bit confused by the different opinions.

 My understanding is that we want to proceed and close the bugs.
 The open questions are:

1. how old bugs should get proceed:
 - from 30days to 6 months
 - it is unclear what is preferred by most people


IMHO 6 months -- Less false positives


2. whether to send any warning before
 - 1 or none
 - 1 is more polite but it creates traffic
 - it unclear how many people are for what solution


1


3. if we do the warning, it unclear how long to wait with closing the
   bug after the warning:
 - 7 days, 30 days, or even longer?
 - only Rainer supports 7 days; others prefer longer time but
   I am not sure if they did not talk about the time before
   sending the 1st warning


They talked about the time from warning - closure

IMHO 30 days are okay. If we set the time too short, we might face
problems...


 Of course, we also need to decide about the messages but we first need
 to decide about the process itself.

 A good solution might be voting on this mailing list.


+1, I say let's vote. And thanks for the succinct summary.

Are we agreed that the closing of bugs should be done (aside from the
details of how)?


IMHO yes


Let's start with that, if general agreement is yes, we'll move forward with
specific details (I think we should vote per item to allow discussion if
it's needed).


+1


If we agree that closing bugs need done, I can at least present the idea
during the ESC call to give developers a chance to respond. I know there
are some concerns about the mass emails that will happen upon closing them.


Best Regards,
Joel


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[Libreoffice-qa] 16 unread messages wait for you in Qmail

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Hi,   On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 04:37:57PM +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:gt; 
Fridrich Strba schrieb:gt; gt; gt;If you've a bit of time, please give them 
a try amp; report bugs not yet ingt; gt;bugzilla.gt; gt; gt; I really 
would like to le...
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Hello all,   On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Fridrich 
Strbalt;fridrich.st...@graduateinstitute.chgt; wrote:gt; If you've a bit of 
time, please give them a try amp; report bugs not yet ingt; bugzilla.   I've 
found that Options gt; Language S...
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Hi,   please note that the feature freeze and commit deadline for 
4.0.0.0.beta1is today, December 3, 2012.   The plan is to create the 
libreoffice-4-0 branch on Tuesday. Then wewill make sure that it is buildable 
and usable and create the beta1 ta...
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Hi all,   as promised, we have created a branch for the stabilization of 
the4.0.x releases, called 'libreoffice-4-0'. It is based on master, lastpull on 
Decemebr 4, 2012 at about 16pm UTC. See also the 
taglibreoffice-4-0-branch-point.   The follow...

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