Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?
Robinson Tryon píše v Čt 11. 04. 2013 v 12:26 -0400: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Robinson Tryon píše v St 10. 04. 2013 v 11:29 -0400: I think that only the single EOL date make sense. We do not provide bugfix releases for bugfix releases. We provide bugfix releases for the minor version X.Y. +1 Perhaps we could add some language on the ReleasePlan page to help telegraph the impending end of the series? ... I have updated the table title at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan to mention basic dates for the initial and bugfix releases. I wonder if this might be enough. I think that helps a bit. I believe I understand the situation a bit better now that we've had the conversation, but I'm still slightly confused about the versioning, and that makes me wonder if users would also find themselves confused :-) Taking the 3.6 branch as an example, the first release came out by Aug 12th., after which point there were no new major/minor builds until 4.0 was released just after 3.6.5 in February. That means that for 6 months, the 3.6 branch was our most up-to-date release. That also means (if I understand correctly) that we didn't ship any new features for 6 months. Is that correct? Yes, it is correct. I have just tried to slightly improve https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#Summary and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#Schedule You might want to read the rules for committing into the different branches, see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Branches In theory, it is possible to get feature even into the bugfix release. In practice, it happens only for .1 or .2 bugfix release and only very rarely. And it is never anything big. These are usually some changes where it is hard to decide if it is a feature or a bug fix. Also you might want to look at http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/ http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?h=libreoffice-4-0 It shows that master branch got more commits within last 24 hours than the stable 4-0 branch within 2 weeks. It shows that we are pretty conservative about the stable and feature complete branches. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thursday, 2013-04-11 18:19:08 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + work on fixing automated load test issues (Kendy,Fridrich,Eike) [ Kendy -8, Eike -2 so far ] All Calc crashers of that set seem to be fixed now. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GPG key ID: 0x65632D3A - 2265 D7F3 A7B0 95CC 3918 630B 6A6C D5B7 6563 2D3A For key transition see http://erack.de/key-transition-2013-01-10.txt.asc Support the FSFE, care about Free Software! https://fsfe.org/support/?erack pgp05HZ31WUPN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Taking the 3.6 branch as an example, the first release came out by Aug 12th., after which point there were no new major/minor builds until 4.0 was released just after 3.6.5 in February. That means that for 6 months, the 3.6 branch was our most up-to-date release. That also means (if I understand correctly) that we didn't ship any new features for 6 months. Is that correct? Yes, it is correct. I have just tried to slightly improve https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#Summary and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#Schedule Looking good. You might want to read [...a bunch of stuff...] So much to read! :-) I've read a bit of that, but I'll try to find time to read more of that soon when I take a break from updating wiki pages... Regarding the EOL date, I've mocked-up an example of how we could display it on the wiki page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:ReleasePlan#Draft:_Adding_EOL_to_the_table (I grabbed the date from the image; Petr's date was Aug 14, 2013, which also sounds fine to me) --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla administration info - 3.3 non releases removed from Version Selector
As announced here http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2013-April/004128.html today I unchecked Bugzilla flag Enabled For Bugs for following versions. So following versions will be removed from the LibO Versions dropdown for bug reports and for editing existing bugs. The versions will stay available for Queries. Version... Active Bugs Action --- 3.3.0 Beta3No98 Delete: disabled months ago 3.3.0 RC1 No 127 Delete 3.3.0 RC2 No 146 Delete 3.3.0 RC3 No69 Delete 3.3.0 RC4 No70 Delete 3.3.1 RC1 No49 Delete 3.3.2 RC1 No18 Delete 3.3.2 RC2 No24 Delete This measure is to keep size of the dropdown acceptable, I am planning the same for 3.4 when I see that we have more or less no more reports for 3.4-non-release Versions. 3.3.0 Beta2 for inherited bugs and the 3.3 releases will stay active for reports of bugs what appeared with 3.3.x. Exact Version info should be contributed in the bug report. After a fix for Bug 55460 - BUGZILLAASSISTANT: Exclude inactive versions from version selector https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55460 also BSA version picker will become a little shorter. CU Rainer P.S.: In this thread I want to keep you up to date, discussion if desired please in extra threads to keep this one clear and short. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] QA Team Email
Unless there are complaints by Monday, QA team is going to request the following email -- QA-Admin@ -- from TDF, we understand that it's a tentative email and can be revoked at any time but feel like having a team email that we can do things like mass close bugs on FDO is a good thing for many reasons including: 1) Same email can be used for every mass change on fdo 2) For people CC'ed on bugs, they *may* be able to auto filter emails from FDO if it's generated by a change done by this admin account 3) Professional to have an admin email 4) Will somewhat protect our QA team from complaints from users when we do these mass changes, although we want to address as many complaints as possible, it's not the responsibility of a single user to be blamed for a QA team decision (such as closing bugs) If there is an issue with this please let me know no later than Monday, else I am going to request it and move forward with some of our FDO projects. Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Team Email
What would that e-mail do? I'm new to the team so haven't been in on any
discussions about it.
On Friday, 12 April 2013, Joel Madero wrote:
Unless there are complaints by Monday, QA team is going to request the
following email -- QA-Admin@ -- from TDF, we understand that it's a
tentative email and can be revoked at any time but feel like having a team
email that we can do things like mass close bugs on FDO is a good thing for
many reasons including:
1) Same email can be used for every mass change on fdo
2) For people CC'ed on bugs, they *may* be able to auto filter emails from
FDO if it's generated by a change done by this admin account
3) Professional to have an admin email
4) Will somewhat protect our QA team from complaints from users when we do
these mass changes, although we want to address as many complaints as
possible, it's not the responsibility of a single user to be blamed for a
QA team decision (such as closing bugs)
If there is an issue with this please let me know no later than Monday,
else I am going to request it and move forward with some of our FDO
projects.
Best,
Joel
--
*Joel Madero*
LibreOffice QA Volunteer
jmadero@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'jmadero@gmail.com');
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Team Email
Certain members would have access to use it for things such as mass closing bugs (which we are moving forward with as soon as we get this email address). So we would have a FDO account linked to the email address where we could manage mass bug changes very easily. That's one very important use of it. Other uses will be to possibly announce QA policy changes as we become more organized, possibly even to sent out our minutes/agenda from QA calls (not sure about this one yet). Basically anything that is QA team related vs. an individual making a point has the potential of going through this email. Its use will be quite limited and hopefully this will help for people to prioritize emails from this account accordingly. Immediate use will be FDO management though. Welcome to the team, haven't seen you on freenode but feel free to join us at #libreoffice-qa :) Best, Joel On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.comwrote: What would that e-mail do? I'm new to the team so haven't been in on any discussions about it. On Friday, 12 April 2013, Joel Madero wrote: Unless there are complaints by Monday, QA team is going to request the following email -- QA-Admin@ -- from TDF, we understand that it's a tentative email and can be revoked at any time but feel like having a team email that we can do things like mass close bugs on FDO is a good thing for many reasons including: 1) Same email can be used for every mass change on fdo 2) For people CC'ed on bugs, they *may* be able to auto filter emails from FDO if it's generated by a change done by this admin account 3) Professional to have an admin email 4) Will somewhat protect our QA team from complaints from users when we do these mass changes, although we want to address as many complaints as possible, it's not the responsibility of a single user to be blamed for a QA team decision (such as closing bugs) If there is an issue with this please let me know no later than Monday, else I am going to request it and move forward with some of our FDO projects. Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
