Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-website] Update from 3.6.7 as EOL

2013-08-05 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 04:33:45PM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote:
 [cc'ing QA, as they might have some suggestions here...]
 On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
 webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 I do not know that 4.1.0 would be the best to start a user on,
 personallythat is.  Some would say 3.6.7 would be best for business users,
 but does it have theMSO XML format updates that 4.0.4 and maybe 4.1.0 have?

 Personally, I would tell peoplesomething like the following.
 3.6.7 - the most conservative version
 4.0.4 [4.0.5] - useful for most users
 4.1.0 - for users that are early adopters for a version line

 +1

 There has always been a sticking point for me to see the download page
 default to an early adopter version, as named by the release plan page.

 The more people on the early-adopter version, the faster we find bugs
 and regressions. I think that if we make the tradeoffs clear, we'll
 probably still have a large number of people grab the latest version
 and help us find any remaining issues, but anyone who is more cautious
 can stick with something from the previous Release series.

See also https://bugs.freedesktop.org/67556 about user confusions
about our versions in the context of the automatic available update
notification. Our vision really needs to be taught; in the context
of the update notification, I suggest we add a setting:

 - conservative
 - most users
 - early adopter

and the setting screen should contain a brief explanation of the
trade-offs.

Right now, we heuristically say (for our update policy) that people
using 3.6 are conservative (and propose them only 3.6.7), but
really that's a (bad) heuristic; it should be a setting.

 Sure we would like to have people upgrade to 4.0.4 or 4.0.5, but I
 do not think we should have anyone think we will not support
 aprevious product line less than a month or two after its last
 version comes out.

 IIRC, that's the timeline that ESC came up with. As I understand the
 logic, the last few builds in a Release series are really just
 maintenance releases containing bugfixes, etc... (*...) So instead
 of thinking about it as dropping support a month after the last
 build, think about it as dropping support 5 months after the 5th
 build (X.x.4) in a series.

Precisely. The last build is *by* *definition* the time when you drop
the possibility for bugfixes. Releasing a bugfix needs a new build, so
if you say we may make a bugfix to 3.6.7, it means we may make a
3.6.8 or in other words 3.6.7 may not be the last 3.6 build.

-- 
Lionel
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[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.5 RC1 available

2013-08-05 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the first release
candidate of our upcoming LibreOffice 4.0.5. This will be the fifth in
a series of frequent updates to our feature-packed 4.0 branch. Please
be aware that LibreOffice 4.0.5 RC1 is not ready for production use,
you should continue to use LibreOffice 4.0.4 for that.

The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
builds download page at

  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla:

  https://bugs.freedesktop.org

A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some
specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details:

 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test

  - or checkout our manual test database for starting right away -

 http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/runtests/

For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can
e.g. contribute code:

  http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/

translate LibreOffice to your language:

  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide

or help with funding our operations:

  http://donate.libreoffice.org/

The list of known issues and fixed bugs for 4.0.5 RC1 is available
from here:

  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.0.5/RC1

Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having
contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have
been possible without your help.

Yours,

The Document Foundation Board of Directors

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