Re: [Libreoffice-qa] locales

2013-11-18 Thread Tim Lloyd

Thanks Sophie.

Actually one of my grumbles about the bug list is the amount of 
unconfirmed bugs which are actually confirmed (or feature requests).


I am going offline shortly...any objections if I confirm this?

Before I jump in though I am sure I saw a flowchart from Joel which 
explained the flow of bugs' statuses. I'll have a dig around for that in 
the morning unless a kind soul can oblige :)


Cheers
On 18/11/13 18:52, Sophie wrote:

Hi Tim,
Le 18/11/2013 08:38, Tim Lloyd a écrit :

Hi,

first post on the QA list. I have been hanging around users and doco for
a while and I would like to offer my help in the QA effort.

I came across this item:

https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=71157

There seems to be some activity (eg. QA contact) but still unconfirmed.
My reading is that the guy needs to set up a template first to reflect
his local settings. Just thinking out loud if anyone could comment.

I don't think so, the settings for en_GB should reflect the standards
used in this locale, in this case Letter is for en_US et A4 for en_GB,
so this is a real issue.

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2013-11-18 Thread Michael Meeks

On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 11:40 +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
 Anyway, I tried building on Windows with --enable-mergelibs=all, did
 not succeed.

AFAIK 'all' is prolly not what we want, it's the extreme end; 'yes' is
prolly rather more conservative and helpful. If we can avoid loading
calc and writer just to start impress we're prolly winning - the same is
not true of all the hundred+ scattered tiny libraries though.

  Build stops when linking the chartcontrollerlo library,
 no imerged.lib found. And indeed I don't see any *merge*.lib anywhere
 in workdir or instdir.

Ah ok ;-)

 This once again shows how harmful it is to have tons of configuration
 options. They don't get tested and bit-rot.

It's unclear how much harm if any that did to us here ? ;-)

ATB,

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2013-11-18 Thread Tor Lillqvist
 It's unclear how much harm if any that did to us here ? ;-)

OK, not then.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] locales

2013-11-18 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello Tim, *,
On Montag, 18. November 2013 09:09 Tim Lloyd wrote:
snip
 Before I jump in though I am sure I saw a flowchart from Joel
 which explained the flow of bugs' statuses. I'll have a dig around
 for that in the morning unless a kind soul can oblige :)

do you mean 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg 
(it is also available as ODG file at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/c/cb/Unconfirmed_Bugs_Status_Flowchart.odg)?
 
Found this on https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage ... 
;)
HTH
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Existing German translation in Moztrap

2013-11-18 Thread Sophie
Hi Thomas,
Le 13/11/2013 17:55, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 Hello Sophie, *,
 On Mittwoch, 13. November 2013 13:56 Sophie wrote:
 I'm currently working on Moztrap to create a test run for 4.2.0
 beta 2.
 
 cool, thank you very much :)
 
 For that, I'll update all the existing tests and adapt
 them to the version and create new ones.
 
 O.K.
 
 There is a German translation for some tests, is it somewhere else
 than in Moztrap?
 
 Not as far as I know. I started translating them, but alas did not 
 find the time to translate them all ... :( I found it a little bit 
 too labour-intensive ... :(
 
 But Yifan has as far as I remember mentioned the possibility to 
 import the old testcases from OOo's TCM. But I am not sure, if this 
 was ever started and/or finished at all ... :(
 
 If not, I don't want to lose the previous work done by
 translators, I'll remove the existing German translations from the
 basic test suites and will upload the corresponding files to
 owncloud as a repository for this translation.

So the files are here
https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/Common/QA/DE_Moztrap_tests

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Existing German translation in Moztrap

2013-11-18 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello Sophie, *,
On Montag, 18. November 2013 14:00 Sophie wrote:
 Le 13/11/2013 17:55, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 On Mittwoch, 13. November 2013 13:56 Sophie wrote:
[preparing MozTrap for 4.2 tests]
 If not, I don't want to lose the previous work done by
 translators, I'll remove the existing German translations from
 the basic test suites and will upload the corresponding files to
 owncloud as a repository for this translation.
 
 So the files are here
 
https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/Common/QA/DE_Moztrap_tests

Thank you very much :) But just out of interest: How do I get an 
account on our ownCloud instance? Otherwise I have no chance to have 
a look at it ... :( Or could you change it in that way, that one has 
not to enter his login information? Or make it possible to register 
there?
Greetings
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Existing German translation in Moztrap

2013-11-18 Thread Sophie
Le 18/11/2013 17:16, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 Hello Sophie, *,
 On Montag, 18. November 2013 14:00 Sophie wrote:
 Le 13/11/2013 17:55, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 On Mittwoch, 13. November 2013 13:56 Sophie wrote:
 [preparing MozTrap for 4.2 tests]
 If not, I don't want to lose the previous work done by
 translators, I'll remove the existing German translations from
 the basic test suites and will upload the corresponding files to
 owncloud as a repository for this translation.

 So the files are here

 https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/Common/QA/DE_Moztrap_tests
 
 Thank you very much :) But just out of interest: How do I get an 
 account on our ownCloud instance? Otherwise I have no chance to have 
 a look at it ... :( Or could you change it in that way, that one has 
 not to enter his login information? Or make it possible to register 
 there?

I'm not sure I can do anything, may be Robinson can give you an access,
I thought that you can download it without an account but there is
nowhere I can set that, may be I don't have enough rights.

Cheers
Sophie
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Existing German translation in Moztrap

2013-11-18 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 So the files are here

 https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/Common/QA/DE_Moztrap_tests


 Le 18/11/2013 17:16, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 Otherwise I have no chance to have
 a look at it ... :( Or could you change it in that way, that one has
 not to enter his login information? Or make it possible to register
 there?

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 I thought that you can download it without an account but there is
 nowhere I can set that, may be I don't have enough rights.

Internal URL (requires login):
https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/Common/QA/DE_Moztrap_tests

Public URL (no login):
https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/Common/QA/DE_Moztrap_tests

How this works:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ownCloud#Our_Common_Space

At some point I should hack-in a little widget so that when users
click on the 'share' link, they're given the corresponding public
url... (anyone up for a little project? :-)


 Le 18/11/2013 17:16, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 Thank you very much :) But just out of interest: How do I get an
 account on our ownCloud instance?

It's a SECRET CLUB!

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not sure I can do anything, may be Robinson can give you an access,


ok, fine! I *guess* I can give you an account ;-)

Thackert (and anyone else in QA who needs an account) - send me an
email with your desired username.

Cheers,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How long before a released build is notified by Update?

2013-11-18 Thread Pedro
Hi qubit


Robinson Tryon wrote
 It doesn't sound to absurd to me. I really don't know too much about
 the mechanisms of the updater, so let me get some info on the current
 state of things, and then I can see the feasibility of particular
 improvements.

I just checked for updates on a laptop I haven't used for a while. The
installed version is 4.1.0.1 but Check for Updates returned LibreOffice 4.1
is up to date. Interesting... :)

Also, interesting: on a more up-to-date laptop with version 4.1.2.1 (i.e
rc1) I get the usual
LibreOffice 4.1.2 is available.
The installed version is LibreOffice 4.1.2.1.

(already reported as a bug some time ago
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46354 )

Just my 2 cents on update checking under Windows ;)

Cheers.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Existing German translation in Moztrap

2013-11-18 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello Robinson, Sophie, *,
On Montag, 18. November 2013 17:33 Robinson Tryon wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Sophie
 gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 So the files are here
 
https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/Common/QA/DE_Moztrap_tests

 
 Le 18/11/2013 17:16, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 Otherwise I have no chance to have
 a look at it ... :( Or could you change it in that way, that one
 has not to enter his login information? Or make it possible to
 register there?
 
 On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Sophie
 gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 I thought that you can download it without an account but there
 is nowhere I can set that, may be I don't have enough rights.
 
 Internal URL (requires login):
 
https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/Common/QA/DE_Moztrap_tests
 
 Public URL (no login):
 https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/Common/QA/DE_Moztrap_tests

thank you very much :) I could download it with the public URL :) 
@Sophie: Thank you for providing the zip file :)

 How this works:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ownCloud#Our_Common_Space

Thank you for that link :) I have read it in the past, but as I have 
not an account, it is not that useful for me ... ;)

 At some point I should hack-in a little widget so that when users
 click on the 'share' link, they're given the corresponding public
 url... (anyone up for a little project? :-)

Not me, sorry ... :(

 Le 18/11/2013 17:16, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 Thank you very much :) But just out of interest: How do I get an
 account on our ownCloud instance?
 
 It's a SECRET CLUB!

Oh, then I need to know the secret sign to join ;? Like the 
freemasons ;? Or any Monty Python-ish moves ;?

 On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Sophie
 gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not sure I can do anything, may be Robinson can give you an
 access,
 
 ok, fine! I *guess* I can give you an account ;-)

Are you talking to Sophie here? She has one already ... ;)

 Thackert (and anyone else in QA who needs an account) - send me an
 email with your desired username.

O.K. Will send it in a couple of minutes ... ;)
Thank you for your – somehow sometimes  mysterious ... ;) – answer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] locales

2013-11-18 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com wrote:
 Hi,

 first post on the QA list. I have been hanging around users and doco for a
 while and I would like to offer my help in the QA effort.

Hi Tim,

Welcome to QA!

You picked a good day to join us -- we're having a QA Call today
injust under 2 hours:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/November_18

Feel free to join-in via Talkyoo (phone conference) or via Google Hangout.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox builds

2013-11-18 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Thorsten,

Thorsten Behrens píše v So 16. 11. 2013 v 02:19 +0100:

 Uploading now finally. Kendy, Cloph, if your bots are using tb,
 another git pull might be needed for you.

Thanks so much - pulled  restarted on @39 now.

Regards,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Windows debug builds

2013-11-18 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Robinson, all,

Robinson Tryon píše v Pá 15. 11. 2013 v 17:10 -0500:

  Anyone could resurrect Windows Daily Debug builds with symbols? Tinderbox
  Win-x86@6-debug is still unavailable. Those builds are necessary to deliver
  valid backtraces on Windows platform, and as we can see, there are potential
  volunteers who can help to get them for Windows crashers.
 
 Just a friendly reminder folks -- please email QA *and* the Tinderbox
 owner when asking after a particular tinderbox.
 
 [cc'ing kendy for tb-6]

Thanks for the CC!

Unfortunately @6 is a dated machine, I am slowly moving the -debug stuff
from there to @39.  I am not that eager to turn @6 up again, as I had to
move it to my place, and it would eat up my electricity bill ;-)

Sorry for that, I'll try to find more spare cycles to finish the
migration to @39.

Regards,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2013-11-18 Thread Jesús Corrius


 + turn on mergedlibs  LTO for Windows - any objections ? (Michael)
 AI: + turn on  see how it goes for 4.2 (Tor)
 + Thanks to Jesus for offering to review vs. 2010



Compiled master using Visual Studio 2010 Professional Edition with LTO.
Slower compilation but interesting effects on the generated binaries (in
some of the smallest ones significant size reduction). Cool stuff. But it's
difficult to see any improvements without profiling the application before
and after.

Pushed into master as it is trivial to disable if there are any regressions
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[Libreoffice-qa] Easy QA Task - Need Volunteer(s)

2013-11-18 Thread Joel Madero
We have a really easy task that QA needs done - looking for a volunteer 
to take care of it and give feedback.


Here is the bug report for it: 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71755


Can we get a volunteer or two?

Any questions can be sent me way or to Florian R.


Thanks in advance!

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA-event ??

2013-11-18 Thread Cor Nouws

Sophie wrote (17-11-13 19:23)


May be we could include the manual tests I'm preparing for the beta too?


Yes, good idea!
(And great to read that you are working on this :) )


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Easy QA Task - Need Volunteer(s)

2013-11-18 Thread Richard
Hello Joel,
I will review the site.
I assigned it to myself.

Having a bit of a problem, though,
getting in to http://qa.libreoffice.org/

Is the site down?


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 We have a really easy task that QA needs done - looking for a volunteer to
 take care of it and give feedback.

 Here is the bug report for it: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/
 show_bug.cgi?id=71755

 Can we get a volunteer or two?

 Any questions can be sent me way or to Florian R.


 Thanks in advance!

 Best,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Easy QA Task - Need Volunteer(s)

2013-11-18 Thread Joel Madero

On 11/18/2013 01:33 PM, Richard wrote:

Hello Joel,
I will review the site.
I assigned it to myself.

Having a bit of a problem, though,
getting in to http://qa.libreoffice.org/

Is the site down?


Yeah it seems like we have some technical issues - hopefully resolved soon:)

Thanks!


Best,
Joel



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mailto:jmadero@gmail.com wrote:


We have a really easy task that QA needs done - looking for a
volunteer to take care of it and give feedback.

Here is the bug report for it:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71755

Can we get a volunteer or two?

Any questions can be sent me way or to Florian R.


Thanks in advance!

Best,
Joel
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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the QA Call - 2013-11-18

2013-11-18 Thread Robinson Tryon
Hello, hello!

Minutes from the QA Call today are available (as always) on the wiki:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/November_18

We had another marvelous turnout and lots of great input from some new
faces. I'm excited to announce that we dropped our UNCONFIRMED bug
count down 45 bugs from our last QA Call (1189 - 1144). We're hoping
to drop the UNCONFIRMED bug count even *further* for our next QA call,
which will happen in two weeks:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/December_02

Cheers,
--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2013-11-18 Thread David Tardon
Hi,

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:40:31AM +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
  + turn on mergedlibs  LTO for Windows - any objections ? (Michael)
 Anyway, I tried building on Windows with --enable-mergelibs=all, did
 not succeed. Build stops when linking the chartcontrollerlo library,
 no imerged.lib found. And indeed I don't see any *merge*.lib anywhere
 in workdir or instdir.

Incidentally, this does not work on Linux either.

D.
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