[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-10-30 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present
+ David, Bjoern, Michael M, Andras, Norbert, Kendy, Markus,
  Miklos, Robinson, Stephan, Jan-Marek , Lionel, Cloph, Caolan,
  Jacobo, Eike, Michael S, Muthu
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ setup call to co-ordinate new load/save/validate hardware (Markus)
+ stick with the GetSolarVersion plan  put it into the release notes 
(Marcos)
+ revert boost::rational changes for now (Kendy)
+ poke Taras wrt. UI / telemetry code re-use here (Michael)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ get a clear use-case  description of what doesn't work vs. master wrt. 
Calc sorting (JBF)
   [ Work in progress. At the moment I have at least 3 different use-cases:
  # bank account: the sorted range contains a column where each cell 
contains the same formula (fdo#81633 and fdo#85215)
  # sorting students by their scores: the cells in the sorted column 
contains formula with functions like AVERAGE() or SUM() (fdo#79441)
  # computing an indicator from data: the cell containing the formula 
with references is outside the range of cells that is sorted (fdo#45146)
  # I am pretty sure I will find other use-cases ]
AI:[ poke JBF - what is the status here ? and what to do next ? ]
+ look at regressions associated with a SUSE bugzilla bugfix (Timar)
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 4.2.7  4.3.3 released as final today
AI: + mention calc sorting issue in the 4.2.7 release notes.
+ unclear what went wrong wrt. bug reporting / fixing / on
  that issue and/or how to fix it.
  + Questionable new feature breaks existing workflow / new behavior 
set as default / new feature backported to stable 
+ 4.4 Alpha 1 status
+ horrible problem with calc - not refreshing the background
+ zoom issues etc. a display problem.
+ fixed via a revert.
+ problem building all languages on Windows
+ prolly the PATH limit too: for now building in c:\lo\
+ working on a fix to make it less reliant on v. short paths
+ how did the VS 2013 build go
+ no problems related to this identified yet;
+ do we get issues with earlier CPUs with no SSE2 ?
+ good that we discovered these breakages early (Bjoern)
AI: + poke at fdo#84854 (Michael)
+ no harm in reverting for now, can always replace.
+ 4.4 Alpha 2
 + planning to do a new tag later this week for testing.
+ 4.4.0 Beta 1 / Feature Freeze
 + due November 17th.
+ 4.3.4 RC1 - Nov 24th
+ Android Remote
 
* Crashtest futures / automated test scripts (Markus)
+ call on Tuesday; new testing hardware.
+ result - get a Manitu server  leave room in the budget for
  ondemand Amazon instances (with spot pricing) if there is
  special need at some point.
+ will migrate when we have the perf. crash. testing  fuzzing,
  and should bring down all the times.
 + perf testing: in 2-3 hours (same day)
 + crash testing: to ~1 day.
+ talked with Matus: a way to notify developers similar to tinderbox.
+ could have bibsect repositories there too (Norbert)
+ and at least 1 VM to try crazy new testing ideas.
+ budget specifically for load/save/validate testing (Michael)
+ any concerns / Bjoern ?
+ lets not let that creep in wildly; test new things,
  but not burn lots of CPU.
+ what was missing - a real comparison of prices ? (Bjoern)
+ comparison happened on the mailing list by now.
+ decision to buy the base-load and dynamically rent the discretionary work.
+ when does it arrive ? (Michael)
+ Florian pinging Manitu wrt. conditions etc.
+ will take 2-4 weeks to get it setup.
+ right after Beta 1-2 will that be a good time ? (Bjoern)
+ mostly just migrating the VM(s) across (Cloph)
+ ~trivial to migrate the workload (Markus)
 
* Crashtest update (Markus)
+ 
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/013ec10d4e89e86cbd53a88058defb7e97ebaa49/
 (25-Oct-2014)
+ still a big spike in DOCX export crashers
+ if no-one beats him: will look into it next week (Miklos)
+ otherwise similar to last week
+ most of the PDF import crashers fixed since last week
+ RTF import  export are now set to zero (Miklos)
 
* Seattle Hackfest (Robinson/Norbert)
+ around 32 people showed up
+ lots of Linux  Mac users showed up, few Windows users
+ lots of interest in getting involved.
+ several people eager to come but couldn't make it - eager to come 
next time.
+ lots of build work (Norbert)
+ lots of setup / long  heavy etc.
+ got 5-6 new people with builds
+ how did pre-built VM's fare (Michael)
+ a couple of guys used that (Norbert)
+ 1x person on IRC, asked for help with x2go connection (Cloph)
+ saw 1x building  1x using only.
+ better documentation - 

[Libreoffice-qa] Windows check needed for fdo#85568

2014-10-30 Thread Cor Nouws
Thanks :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-10-30 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 30/10/2014 20:05, Kohei Yoshida a écrit :
 On Thu, 2014-10-30 at 20:00 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
+ I think that the best would be to have this option locale to the
  sorting dialog instead of global for Calc
  Is it something possible?
 
 Not unless someone volunteers.  FYI it would require a fair amount of
 code change and a change in ODF file format.

Is it not possible to have a checkbox in the sorting dialog without
saving its state to the file or not in the file but in the registry ?

JBF

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-10-30 Thread Michael Meeks

On Thu, 2014-10-30 at 20:00 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 My suggestions :
+ fix bug fdo#85215 : done
+ change the default value of option UpdateReferenceOnSort from true
  to false for backward compatibility

So - we punted this default decision to the UX team.

 Main bug reports related to this problem:

My concern is that I don't have time to waste with interminable ranting
bug comments by all  sundry ;-) or lists of duplicates, or change
default to this / that - all of that is in-hand, and it is a ~one-liner
to change the default now [ and perhaps a single unit test change ].

The only open question is: given what is in master today - are there
-well-defined- clearly specified cases that continue not to work [ with
the default set to the user's preferred state ]. Are there clear
comparisons vs. what competing products do in exactly those corner cases
too ?

Can we get a tracker for exactly these outstanding issues and no
others ? can each of those issues be a succinct, crisp, clear statement
of a real issue with the current state of master; and nothing else =) or
(more ideally) we can confirm that there are no outstanding issues
[ modulo the non-interesting ones I outline above ].

Thanks !

Michael.

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