[Libreoffice-qa] coverity fixes included in list with release notes ..

[Cor Nouws]

Hi,

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.4.0/Beta1 also lists the
coverity fixes.
Not to under valuate the importance, but I don't think it's useful to
mention those. It makes the list a bit too long, IMHO.

cheers,

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] question about a bug confirmation

[V Stuart Foote]

@Markus,

LOL, I almost answered it that way as well.  But then I ran through the
example document and created one of my own.  

I'm comfortable saying there is a logic flaw when assigning the cell
formatting when two sum() ranges containing currency formatted data are
divided. 

Weird, in that we assign cell formatting correctly when a sum() is divided
by just a currency cell.

Stuart



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] question about a bug confirmation

[Markus Mohrhard]

Hey,

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Lera Goncharuk
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Basically. I translate documentation and news to Russian, but also I explain
> the position of developers and QA team about confirmation and fixing bugs to
> Russian users who have a weak command of the English.
> My question is about a bug that I submitted yesterday (have a look at
> comments):
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86576
> I do not complain or protest, but I need the position of QA team that I can
> explain to other users.
> Do I understand correctly, that we should consult with developers when a bug
> violates principles of mathematical calculations and we give the status NEW
> only when developers confirm than bug can be fixed?
> Do mathematical rules no longer apply to LibreOffice?
> What should I tell users?
> Thanks in advance for the clarification.
>

First a spreadsheet is not a math program and is not mathematically
correct and most likely will never be.

Now to the issue at hand. A number format is not a unit, it is a cell
property that tells the program how to format the numbers. In the end
they are still just numbers and have no internal unit. There are some
ideas around implementing a real unit system for spreadsheet cells in
calc but that is not even under development. That would then realize
that adding a currency to a time is just wrong. As you can try
yourself you can easily do that today as it is just a formatting and
not a unit.

Currently the seen behavior is correct that the number format (if none
is set yet to the cell) is taken from the source cells.

Regards,
Markus
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] question about a bug confirmation

[Joel Madero]

On 11/23/2014 09:21 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> @Lera, *,
>
> First thank you for taking on the translation tasks, we know it can be
> challenging.
>
>
> Lera Goncharuk wrote
>> Do I understand correctly, that we should consult with developers when a
>> bug 
>> violates principles of mathematical calculations and we give the status
>> NEW 
>> only when developers confirm than bug can be fixed?
>> Do mathematical rules no longer apply to LibreOffice?
>> What should I tell users?
Also with these corner case spreadsheet issues - many times they are
closed as WONTFIX or NOTABUG because developers determine that it's just
the nature of how integers work in computers. There will always be some
inaccuracy (Excel has similar issues) and developers have to determine
if the particular corner case is going to be resolved and thus possibly
screw up other users. Similar issues have been reported and Kohei wrote
a great description of the issue.

So I would not go as far as saying "mathetmatical calculations" don't
matter - what I would say is it's incredibly hard to explain these
limitations to regular users who aren't aware of how code works. So -
usually what I do for these particular kinds of issues is I jump into
the developer chat and I ask a developer if it's actually a bug - if
they say "no it's a limitation of computer based calculations" then I
close as NOTABUG and try to explainusually that fails, users are
annoyed and aren't able to understand that there are in fact real
limitations as to what a spreadsheet document is capable of.


Best,
Joel
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] question about a bug confirmation

[V Stuart Foote]

@Lera, *,

First thank you for taking on the translation tasks, we know it can be
challenging.


Lera Goncharuk wrote
> Do I understand correctly, that we should consult with developers when a
> bug 
> violates principles of mathematical calculations and we give the status
> NEW 
> only when developers confirm than bug can be fixed?
> Do mathematical rules no longer apply to LibreOffice?
> What should I tell users?

Regards,   fdo#86576   

No, I would not characterize the QA process that way.  Setting NEW has
nothing to do with determining if something can or should be fixed.  Rather,
it depends on the comfort of the QA volunteer in making an assignment, or
asking for more information.

If issue as reported can be reproduced it can be set status NEW--or as Andy
has done--leave it UNCONFIRMED and invite other QA or Devs to review.  
There will be issues that clearly are incorrect function, as this is.  And
there are issues that are marginal, and are better classified as Enhancement
to the existing function.

Stuart




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[Libreoffice-qa] question about a bug confirmation

[Lera Goncharuk]

Hi all,

Basically. I translate documentation and news to Russian, but also I explain 
the position of developers and QA team about confirmation and fixing bugs to 
Russian users who have a weak command of the English.
My question is about a bug that I submitted yesterday (have a look at 
comments):
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86576
I do not complain or protest, but I need the position of QA team that I can 
explain to other users.
Do I understand correctly, that we should consult with developers when a bug 
violates principles of mathematical calculations and we give the status NEW 
only when developers confirm than bug can be fixed?
Do mathematical rules no longer apply to LibreOffice?
What should I tell users?
Thanks in advance for the clarification.

Best regards,
Lera
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