[Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2021-02-04
* Present: + Heiko, Michael W, Cloph, Stephan, Caolan, Miklos, Olivier, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Michael S * Completed Action Items: * Pending Action Items: + get GSoC 2021 application kicked off until 29th January (Thorsten) + data of mentoring update / qa stats look outdated, investigate (Xisco) * Release Engineering update (Cloph) + 7.1 status + better late than never: don’t forget to add your features to the release notes (Miklos) + see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.1 + 7.1.0 is out now, released yesterday + mac install problem: language pack installer doesn’t handle the case when Finder is configured to always show file extensions + so can be worked around + icons in the start center: affects Windows as well (Xisco) + already fixed (Heiko) + another .ui problem + only affects old gtk3 versions (Heiko) + 7.0 status + 7.0.5 in 2 weeks + Remotes: Android, iOS + Android viewer * RC4 needed? (Xisco) + http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Going-to-need-an-rc4-build-of-7-1-0-some-unacceptable-omissions-td4295433.html + mentions the missing icon problem + buttons for the new UI chooser → already fixed in master + the release is out, 7.1.0 rc1 is near (Cloph) + agree, these bugs are not critical (Xisco) * Documentation (Olivier) + Helpcontent2 + Updates (S. Chailkin, ohallot, R lima, LibreOfficiant) + Fixes (A Gelmini, ohallot, S. Chaiklin) + Refactors (Johnny_M, ohallot) + Guides + work in progress * UX Update (Heiko) + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics 243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 248(248) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam + Updates: BZ changes 1 week1 month 3 months12 months added 9(-3) 29(-3) 56(-6) 161(-3) commented 95(-35) 408(-9) 1016(-32) 4074(-57) removed 1(0) 4(1) 7(-1) 52(0) resolved 12(-1) 60(6) 156(-2) 513(3) + top 10 contributors: Heiko Tietze made 332 changes in 1 month, and 2523 changes in 1 year Telesto made 160 changes in 1 month, and 931 changes in 1 year Foote, V Stuart made 92 changes in 1 month, and 705 changes in 1 year Ilmari Lauhakangas made 47 changes in 1 month, and 321 changes in 1 year Seth Chaiklin made 46 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year Dieter Praas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 456 changes in 1 year Kaganski, Mike made 27 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year Roman Kuznetsov made 19 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year Jim Raykowski made 16 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year Rizal Muttaqin made 16 changes in 1 month, and 28 changes in 1 year * New tickets with needsUXEval Jan/28-Feb/04 -> * Remove "Collect usage data…" section and checkbox in the LibreOffice general options + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140107 + where is this sent to? + 2 features: “collect UI info”, LO_COLLECT_UIINFO, for ui testing; vs collecting data that is never sent (Xisco, Miklos) * Tools -> Customize dialog search 'All Commands' does not include controls from Styles or Macros categories + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140070 * Considerations about improving UI for Bullets and Numbering (as DF) and List Styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140058 * Do not autoformat numbers in brackets + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140050 * EDITING: Fault in Spelling and Grammar dialog box operation. + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57667 -> * AutoCorrect: Writer not recognizing a URL's trailing carat, hash mark, question mark, backslash, or pipe + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91192 + URLs enclosed in parentheses, square/angle brackets, or even pipes + following RFC3986/3987 and stick to this (Guilhem) + pipe should not appear in a URL (Stephan) -> * freeze/crash when creating a diagram from many thousand cells + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69977 + large data → slow, not too surprising + Noel gave some tip * Setting cell background to None, changes row background from Color to None. + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139983 * Add an "Extensions" sidebar (similar to the "Extensions" tab) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139979 * Crash Testing (Caolan) + 14(+2) import failure, 2(+2) export failures + 0 coverity issues + 17 ossfuzz
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting agenda - Adding topic: Broken release process when fresh become still and when still become EOL'ed
Am 28.01.21 um 19:56 schrieb Timur Gadzo: I'm reading about rolling release idea, and I find it awful. It just popped up, not sure why. Yes, it's more simple to publish, but it would ruin LO usability. ESC meeting minutes: 2020-12-10 https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2020-December/086428.html I personally don't think it'll solve the problem. Feels a bit like gnupg or OpenSSL... LO is regression plagued product. Yup. But honestly with the available resources, I don't see this changing in any time-frame, I can imagine. One IMHO main problem is, that we mainly have regression unit tests. So every change is almost guaranteed to break stuff. At least for me it feels like this. Everything is a lot of guesswork for me, even in areas, where people claim I'm the actual expert. I remember patches, which had almost 100 iterations and still had a regression, literally a day after the commit. Some of my stuff you might remember from QA too, like: * The Scheduler rework, so we could get rid of crazy stuff, like the 1ms sleep, so Idles wouldn't starve each other or process stuff in the wrong sequence * The "simplification" of the SalLayout to implement some little bit more understandable font handling, which broke the generic font cache, broke Windows font handling, slowing down documents in all aspects * The unification of SolarMutex, which previously was simply ignoring underflows and "hope nothing breaks", which I stopped with std::abort() on underflow and still - now and then - get bisects on a crash to this change years later * The whole "multi-threaded" GUI processing including now crazy stuff to redirect GUI stuff from non-GUI threads, like ignoring the mutex in the main thread to process GUI, while the original threads holds it. * Or the stuff I broke while reworking the mail merge to work with complex documents and be usable with more the 100 document, not slowing down to a crawl with 200 (the sensible limit was at some point ~10k letter complexity docs) * ... etc, etc, etc... You may ask: do we have unit tests at least for some of the essential low level stuff I touched? Barely any and nothing I would consider remotely sufficient. And this is just the major stuff I worked on an broke stuff for multiple releases. And still currently there is https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/109829, which passed before XMas and now always aborts, with very broken logs indicating some (new?) Scheduler problem, I'm unable to reproduce locally, driving me nuts. And not taking into account the 12141 open bug reports against LibreOffice (according to the weekly bug summary of today). So I can very much relate to your impression. But unless you have some large new resources available for the project, we'll have to bear with it. ATB Jan-Marek P.S. and on top of it you have a lot of https://xkcd.com/1172/, simply because LO is around for a long time, used by many people and actually gets a lot more done, then I can imagine. I'm just remembering those blog post, where people replied how they use Draw for CAD... P.P.S. x.y.6 is the most stable, but sometimes people actually want to use new features a bit earlier. Or they pay for commercial support. P.P.P.S. And then there is also the very broken WASM port, which neither helps my sanity... ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Starmath syntax hightlight
The actual TDF is 43089 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43089 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Starmath syntax hightlight
The starmath syntax highlight first revision is now available here: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/109639/21 I write asking for a deep review since it's a patch that may change the user experience. I'd like the UX team to take a look and evaluate the code legibility. Note that bright colors have been avoided. Maybe some documentation should be added. Get sure the preferences page keeps up to the accessibility and quality standards. Can get a stability test with some twisted starmath code I haven't thought of. I can't think of any automated test, but it may be possible. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lightning talks at FOSDEM - last call, please tell me *TODAY* :)
What are those talks about? El sáb, 30 ene 2021 a las 11:38, Thorsten Behrens () escribió: > Miklos Vajna wrote: > > + next deadline: lightning talks: 5 mins → till Sat (30th) > > + send the link of video+slides to Thorsten > > > I'll need your video ASAP, plus your login name on penta.fosdem.org > (so we can add you ask speakers in the system). > > Looking fwd to exciting talks! :) > > Cheers, > > -- Thorsten > ___ > LibreOffice mailing list > libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice > ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
