ESC meeting minutes: 2024-04-18

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Ilmari, Regina, Michael S, Michael W, Jonathan, Hossein, 
Stephan, Miklos, Xisco, Eike, Heiko, Cloph, Caolan

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ Update api.libreoffice.org from 7.4 (Cloph)

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 7.6: 7.6.7 RC1 this week, probably later today
+ 24.2: 24.2.3 RC2 next week

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Fix on CSS (Juan José)
+ Helpcontents2
   + New pages for paragraph signature (wip) (Colton Garrett)
 + may be useful to CC Ashod on the change (Miklos)
 + several signature parts: PDF, macros, gpg or not, etc (Olivier)
   + Updates and fixes (ohallot)
+ Guides
   + Work in progress
   + About translations.
+ Bugzilla Documentation statistics
265(265) bugs open
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
   created 8(1) 30(-22)89(0) 218(-6)
 commented 3(-16)   57(-39)   235(-3)836(-12)
  resolved 6(4) 16(-6) 43(5) 116(2)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Olivier Hallot made 44 changes in 1 month, and 263 changes in 1 year
  Dione Maddern made 17 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 15 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year
  MeBugzilla made 7 changes in 1 month, and 7 changes in 1 year
  Weghorn, Michael made 7 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 7 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 3 changes in 1 month, and 3 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 3 changes in 1 month, and 24 changes in 
1 year
  nobu made 3 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
  Pierre F made 2 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 45(45) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
 added  4(-4)19(1) 23(2)   31(2)
 commented 71(41)   231(23)   564(59)1949(-32)
   removed  1(1)  2(1)  2(1)   12(0)
  resolved  8(2) 28(2) 85(3)  320(4)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Stéphane Guillou made 96 changes in 1 month, and 683 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 91 changes in 1 month, and 1124 changes in 1 year
  Vernon, Stuart Foote made 68 changes in 1 month, and 274 changes in 1 
year
  Eyal Rozenberg made 27 changes in 1 month, and 156 changes in 1 year
  Ilmari Lauhakangas made 26 changes in 1 month, and 162 changes in 1 
year
  Ady made 20 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Justin Luth made 18 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Devansh Varshney made 13 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
  m.a.riosv made 10 changes in 1 month, and 59 changes in 1 year
+ [Bug 160686] "Left Page" and "Right Page" are nonsensical and should be 
removed
+ [Bug 160684] The Landscape style is nonsensical while we have neither
   hierarchical nor composable page styles
+ [Bug 160682] HTML "page style" is not a page style - move this 
functionality
   elsewhere
 -> + [Bug 154434] FILEOPEN HTML: Writer loses HTML layout
  + wonder to what extent we want to support for format (Heiko)
  + but these days many apps have internal HTML renderers (Hossein)
  + curently closed as wontfix (Heiko)
+ not sure where to draw the line
  + also CSS, do we event handle CSS layout at all? (Ilmari)
+ at layout: things start to fall apart
+ also unclear where to draw the line
  + using a writer2html extension (Olivier)
  + when developing a product, you need to consider your audience / market 
section (Hossein)
+ compare us vs other word processors
+ best to comare us to other word processors, not browsers
+ [Bug 160658] Shortcut key menu's elements are odd and empty
+ [Bug 139112] Accessibility options dialog should adapt its width to long 
labels
+ [Bug 160629] Bullets and Numbering dialog in Writer does not say it's 
about an
   implicit list style
+ [Bug 160608] "Re-type Password" dialog needs UX improvement
+ [Bug 49259] Writer is too jumpy when selecting an object if another object
   was selected
+ [Bug 99608] Using clone formatting enables scrolling with the mouse -- but
   it shouldn't

   + Poll "What kind of User Interface are you using?"
 + https://fosstodon.org/@libodesign/112285659953746809
 + agree with Heiko, it makes sense to invest more into the tabbed 
interface (Hossein)
   + agree (Olivier)
 + would like to define some notebookbar 

Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-18

[Heiko Tietze]

Present: Hossein, Sahil, ring, Heiko
Comments: Ady, Brian, Cor, Eyal, Rafael, Jeff, Stephane

Tickets/Topics

 * Calc: default anchor everything to CELL
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160452
   + change default needs to have good reasons (Heiko)
   + add option to define the default is over-engineering (Heiko)
   + behavior my have changed in the past (Hossein)
 => resolve WF; suggest to change the topic into "remember last setting"

 * When opening Advanced filter dialog the "From" field should be
   filled with the address of current selection
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150937
   + reasonable request (Ady)
   + confusing label "Read Filter Criteria From" (Ady)
 + more common label is possible, eg. "Select Range"
   but unlikely to be more clear (Heiko)
   + prefilling data does not harm (Hossein, Heiko)
 => go for it

 * Using clone formatting enables scrolling with the mouse -- but it shouldn't
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99608
   + "issue" happens only when moving slowly from top, where moving the
 cursor on top makes sense
   + smooth scrolling rather than to jump to a certain position could
 be a solution (Hossein)
 => suggest to duplicate with 46988

 * Turn on "Range contains column labels" by default
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150027
   + different scenarios, requires more intelligent function (Brian)
   + remember last user choice for this option (Eyal)
   + controls got moved to the same tab for bug 131155 (Heiko)
   + option is checked if header-like data is detected (Cor)
 + apparently only on Windows, on Linux the last settings are remembered
   + the dialog has always stored the last settings, unclear report (Cor)
 => keep the smart functionality, resolve invalid

 * Add timer/clock to single-screen presentation
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160227
   + makes sense (Rafael)
   + unclear why the timer needs to be shown for the audience
   + presenter console uses own class/control
   + neither available in Excel, feature would lack compatibility
 => resolve WF in favor of 3rd party extension/macro

 * Right-clicking to select an always-shown comment in Calc "clicks through"
   and selects the cell behind it
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160290
   + to hide the object first requires additional clicks (Ady)
   + it's not necessary to hide the comment, one can move it easily (Sahil)
   + right click to select is not common interaction (Heiko)
   + respect the z-order (Jeff, Stephane, Heiko, Hossein)
 => do as requested


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