Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
Hi Pedro, On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 02:00:47AM -0800, Pedro wrote: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ LibreOffice is available in the following stable versions: 4.1.5 4.2.1 Since we are doing the LibreOffice Fresh/LibreOffice Stable thing on the website now, that is indeed misleading. As the contrast is against prerelease versions, I would suggest to maybe change that wording to LibreOffice is available in the following finalized versions:. But the QA list is the wrong place for this -- as it is about the website and should be discussed on that list accordingly. Finally, the tone of your mail is quite worrying and suggests separating us vs. them. There are a lot of volunteers involved in this and you are not winning them over to your point of view by offending them. Ultimately, the new website design has been available for review for a long time with active calls for feedback. Coming this late and then ranting about wording doesnt help your cause. Anyway, please continue on the website mailing list. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
Hi Björn Bjoern Michaelsen wrote Since we are doing the LibreOffice Fresh/LibreOffice Stable thing on the website now, that is indeed misleading. As the contrast is against prerelease versions, I would suggest to maybe change that wording to LibreOffice is available in the following finalized versions:. +1 on the wording However Stable is not inappropriate (as opposed to Development) since the version is NOT unstable... It might crash now and then, but not more than any other version/software :) Bjoern Michaelsen wrote But the QA list is the wrong place for this -- as it is about the website and should be discussed on that list accordingly. Actually this is not about the website. It is about the projects quality/coherence philosophy. I have two options: accept it or leave the mailing list/project. This is not in any way a threat/warning, it's a decision I have to make personally. Bjoern Michaelsen wrote Finally, the tone of your mail is quite worrying and suggests separating us vs. them. There are a lot of volunteers involved in this and you are not winning them over to your point of view by offending them. Ultimately, the new website design has been available for review for a long time with active calls for feedback. Coming this late and then ranting about wording doesnt help your cause. There is no us. I'm *not* a member of the QA team (or TDF), so this is my personal opinion as someone who worries about quality and is/was trying to contribute some time/knowledge. Again, in not a staff member so I usually only check QA and Users and even if I occasionally post on other mailing lists (where I am allowed) I don't feel that I have failed by not participating in that particular Website discussion (which was directed by a Marketing logic)... I wasn't offending anyone and I am/was also a volunteer. In any case, as you can see from the (lack of) replies, not many people agree with my point. So don't worry ;) Kind regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-2-1-is-a-Stable-version-tp4100538p4100643.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
On 09/03/14 14:51, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi Pedro, On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 02:00:47AM -0800, Pedro wrote: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ LibreOffice is available in the following stable versions: 4.1.5 4.2.1 Since we are doing the LibreOffice Fresh/LibreOffice Stable thing on the website now, that is indeed misleading. As the contrast is against prerelease versions, I would suggest to maybe change that wording to LibreOffice is available in the following finalized versions:. how about calling a released version ... release? as in The following current LibreOffice releases are available: or The most current available LibreOffice releases are: or ... ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
Hi Pedro, Pedro wrote (08-03-14 11:00) As long as Marketing is more important than Quality, this won't change. I appreciate your concern about messaging and perception of users. However, there is a clear distinction between the pages named Fresh and Stable. Doesn't that help? cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
Hi Cor Cor Nouws wrote However, there is a clear distinction between the pages named Fresh and Stable. Doesn't that help? There is a clear separation (not distinction!) if you select from the menu. In any case, what does Fresh mean? I guess it means that it is from the Fresh branch (as opposed to the Ripe branch, like in fruit?) Even if this has some logic for people in the project, I could also expect that Fresh means the latest version released (as in Freshly pressed juice), in which case the next Fresh release will be 4.1.6... Most users will probably arrive to the Download page by pushing the Download button on the Home page and guess which version they are presented with??? The incoherence is that in the not-so-visible Release Notes it says: is targeted for early adopters and private power users. Does it seem reasonable to think that first time users are willing to be early adopters or that they are power users??? Kind regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-2-1-is-a-Stable-version-tp4100538p4100696.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ Since when an x.x.1 version is Stable??? LibreOffice is available in the following stable versions: 4.1.5 4.2.1 You (TDF) don't even follow your own rules. This is all a joke! I guess you have still haven't understood why LibreOffice credibility isn't growing and OpenOffice (in spite of being well behind LO in features) is still the name that people care about... It's because of Quality!!! As long as Marketing is more important than Quality, this won't change. My disappointed 2 cents... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-2-1-is-a-Stable-version-tp4100538.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
Hi Pedro, I agree with you. It might be wise to make the stable version much more visible :) [LibreOffice release versions are: 4.1.5 4.2.1 ] Am 08.03.2014 11:00, schrieb Pedro: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ Since when an x.x.1 version is Stable??? LibreOffice is available in the following stable versions: 4.1.5 4.2.1 You (TDF) don't even follow your own rules. This is all a joke! I guess you have still haven't understood why LibreOffice credibility isn't growing and OpenOffice (in spite of being well behind LO in features) is still the name that people care about... It's because of Quality!!! As long as Marketing is more important than Quality, this won't change. My disappointed 2 cents... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-2-1-is-a-Stable-version-tp4100538.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- Liebe Grüße | Yours, Florian Reisinger ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
Hi Pedro, On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ Since when an x.x.1 version is Stable??? I'm alsways astonished about your memory It has always been that way. we have testing (the RCs), stable (the final versions) and old (the archived releases). .0 and .1 were always stable. They are not for conservative users, but that is different from being stable vs testing. /me this time won't write a comment that people surely will misinterpret, yaddayadda.. ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
Hi Christian, * Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote They are not for conservative users, but that is different from being stable vs testing. You are right about Stable vs Testing. My mistake (but that is just nit-picking...) The fact that version 4.2.1 is being pushed to every new user (with an almost hidden and currently outdated Release Notes as an argument that people are warned) proves that Quality is an after-thought... Still disappointed. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-2-1-is-a-Stable-version-tp4100538p4100564.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.2.1 is a Stable version???
2014-03-08 17:50 GMT+01:00 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com: Hi Christian, * Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote They are not for conservative users, but that is different from being stable vs testing. You are right about Stable vs Testing. My mistake (but that is just nit-picking...) The fact that version 4.2.1 is being pushed to every new user (with an almost hidden and currently outdated Release Notes as an argument that people are warned) proves that Quality is an after-thought... Still disappointed. But Pedro, surely quality is not a function of terminology - or numerology, for that matter ? Whether version 4.2.1 is ready for release to the general public without a warning has more to do with how well and how reliably it functions than that the third digit is a «1» Kudos to the developers, who in my opinion, have done a great job in providing us users with quality products !... Henri ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
