Re: [Libreoffice-qa] End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions
Pedro Lino píše v Pá 09. 12. 2011 v 20:34 +: Hi all Looking at the Release Plan chart http://tdfsc.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/libreoffice-versions.png and wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan I guess version 3.3.4 is the end of the line for family 3.3. IMHO, community can't support too many stable versions. Customers who need it, have to pay someone for it. We should leave 3.3 and concentrate on making 3.5 the best release ever. This means that for many users (and especially for companies, which only use the most stable build) the next version will (sometimes forcefully :) ) be 3.4.5. I think this carries (from a QA point of vue) a much heavier responsibility and care than the change from 3.4.4 to 3.5.0 (which is experimental) I think that there is no need for panic :-) 3.4 has been out since, Jun 1, 2011. We did 4 bug fix releases. There was plenty of time to escalate bugs that would break people from using this version and there were many possibilities to get these fixes. In addition, as Michael said, 3.4.5 need not be the last bugfix release for the 3.4 version. I am sure that we will do another one if there is a reasonable demand from users and fixes from developers. The planned release date for 3.4.5 is on January 11, 2012 and apparently there won't be any Beta releases, it will jump directly to RC1. We should not need beta versions. We do not do big or dangerous changes between bug fix releases. All changes are reviewed. If we would want to include anything dangerous, we would ask for extra testing. I am sure that we added regressions between bugfix release in the past (we are just humans) but I do not remember anything serious. I urge everybody to make sure that EVERY regression detected from 3.3.x to 3.4.x is fixed/added to the 3.4 branch This is not realistic. Every application has bugs and every version adds regressions. This is true for any software, not only for LibreOffice. It would take thousands man-years to fix all bugs in LO. If you want to release software at some point, you need to do compromise. There are good processes (severity, priority, most annoying meta bug) that helps to focus on important things, optimize the cost and value, and make this working in a real life. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions
On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 21:34:34 +0100, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: I think this carries (from a QA point of vue) a much heavier responsibility and care than the change from 3.4.4 to 3.5.0 (which is experimental) The planned release date for 3.4.5 is on January 11, 2012 and apparently there won't be any Beta releases, it will jump directly to RC1. I urge everybody to make sure that EVERY regression detected from 3.3.x to 3.4.x is fixed/added to the 3.4 branch +1. LibO 3.4.5 will be the last release of the 3.4.x branch since there will be no 3.4.6, the bugfixing should be handled with care maybe a 2 more testing weeks before release (planned date jan 11) would help ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions
Hello Pedro, all, This maybe a bit off topic, but IMHO we have some general cases, for example: * the bug is explicitly fixed in next 3.4/3.5 release, but not in reporter's version * the bug disappeared in next 3.4/3.5 release, without explicit fix * the bug that isn't fixed yet since 3.3 release, and is also in 3.4/3.5 release * the bug has been set version incorrectly * the bug has insufficient information to triage/reproduce, and/or inactive reporters threshold for inactivity needed * etc (if any) So, what should we do to each group of bugs? Anyway, I'm not sure whether there are how many bugs in each group, or even there is any bug in some group. Maybe we need separate discussion? Currently 3.3.x bugs that aren't fixed yet is ~1500 [1], assuming reporters selected correct version. And all bugs (whether or not they're fixed) with regression keywords in 3.4.x is ~140 [2] [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=24340query_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=NEEDINFObug_status=PLEASETESTversion=LibO%203.3.0%20Beta2version=LibO%203.3.0%20Beta3version=LibO%203.3.0%20RC1version=LibO%203.3.0%20RC2version=LibO%203.3.0%20RC3version=LibO%203.3.0%20RC4version=LibO%203.3.0%20releaseversion=LibO%203.3.1%20RC1version=LibO%203.3.1%20releaseversion=LibO%203.3.2%20RC1version=LibO%203.3.2%20RC2version=LibO%203.3.2%20releaseversion=LibO%203.3.3%20releaseversion=LibO%203.3.4%20releaseproduct=LibreOffice [2] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20keywords_type=allwordslist_id=24332query_format=advancedversion=LibO%203.4.0%20Beta1version=LibO%203.4.0%20Beta2version=LibO%203.4.0%20Beta3version=LibO%203.4.0%20Beta4version=LibO%203.4.0%20Beta5version=LibO%203.4.0%20RC1version=LibO%203.4.0%20releaseversion=LibO%203.4.1%20RC1version=LibO%203.4.1%20RC2version=LibO%203.4.1%20releaseversion=LibO%203.4%20Dailyversion=LibO%203.4.2%20RC1version=LibO%203.4.2%20RC2version=LibO%203.4.2%20releaseversion=LibO%203.4.3%20RC1version=LibO%203.4.3%20releaseversion=LibO%203.4.4%20RC1version=LibO%203.4.4%20releaseproduct=LibreOffice Best Regards, -- Korrawit Pruegsanusak ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions
Pedro Lino schrieb: Looking at the Release Plan chart Pedro Lino schrieb: Hi, I am just preparing some information concerning such regression problems we will discuss during next TSC call on Thursday before I publish it. The current results are completely in accordance with Pedro's arguments and show that currently we have a much worse situation concerning unfixed regression bugs than we had for 3.4.0 CU Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions
Hi Pedro, *, Pedro Lino wrote (10-12-11 12:46) So, what should we do to each group of bugs? Anyway, I'm not sure whether there are how many bugs in each group, or even there is any bug in some group. Maybe we need separate discussion? It is already for some time now, that there is need for more bug handling in BugZilla. Only that can lead to specific qualification and discussion. This isn't simply a matter of checking and reporting bugs. It involves the Quality of a product this Community claims to be Enterprise ready. IMO there can be NO regressions. Does not sound like a real life scenario, IMO. Some regressions will slip in now and then. I think this is way over our (QA) heads given the sheer amount of unfixed bugs. There is the mechanism that gives all of us the possibility to propose the serious problems as most annoying. Which has been used continuously over the past year, and with success in the sense that bugs, also nasty old ones, have been fixed. Nevertheless, I agree with the meaning of this topic: When 3.4.5 has been released, it will take some time and a few (2, 3 ?) releases in the 3.5-branch to be on approximately the same level as 3.4.4/5. So that *might* lead to a situation where again several months waiting is necessary to be able to profit from improvements after 3.3.x ... And the potential risk of this is serious, so we may not think too light about this. The 'simple' solution is: make sure that the problems that are so serious, that you will not be able to use 3.4.x, despite the many improvements (also bugwise) in that branch, are well described and nominated 3.4-most annoying. Does that make sense? It doesn't seem realistic the release date of January 11 especially because this is the Christmas season and most people here are volunteers. Indeed, something to take into account. Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions
Hi all Looking at the Release Plan chart http://tdfsc.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/libreoffice-versions.png and wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan I guess version 3.3.4 is the end of the line for family 3.3. This means that for many users (and especially for companies, which only use the most stable build) the next version will (sometimes forcefully :) ) be 3.4.5. I think this carries (from a QA point of vue) a much heavier responsibility and care than the change from 3.4.4 to 3.5.0 (which is experimental) The planned release date for 3.4.5 is on January 11, 2012 and apparently there won't be any Beta releases, it will jump directly to RC1. I urge everybody to make sure that EVERY regression detected from 3.3.x to 3.4.x is fixed/added to the 3.4 branch E.g. A bug fix such as this https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42958 needs to be cherry picked to the 3.4 branch I volunteer to do any checking (within my limited knowledge) on the Windows x86 platform but someone with more experience needs to do an exhaustive search on the Bug tracker (Rainer?) Regards, Pedro ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
