Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO 3.6.2 : about Manage dialog from Conditional Formatting
Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:29:20AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 06:35:57AM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Nobody interested to test and answer? I think it is rather that most in QA already have their share of critical bugs to care about. just wanted to follow up on this one as while we discussed the issue at hand some more in private, my initial email was probably quite a bit harsh when standing on its own. Given that, I was happy that you continued to discuss it constructively. Still please accept my apologies for the inital blunt reply, and I hope the issue at hand can be worked out satisfactorily in due time. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO 3.6.2 : about Manage dialog from Conditional Formatting
Hi Bjoern, Thank you very much for your kind words. I think that this story shows that we need more discussion between developers, QA-team and power users. Later I will try to make constructive propositions to improve our collaboration, for the moment I am building the master to test the patches commited by Michael for fdo54940. :-) Best regards. JBF Le 28/09/2012 11:29, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:29:20AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 06:35:57AM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Nobody interested to test and answer? I think it is rather that most in QA already have their share of critical bugs to care about. just wanted to follow up on this one as while we discussed the issue at hand some more in private, my initial email was probably quite a bit harsh when standing on its own. Given that, I was happy that you continued to discuss it constructively. Still please accept my apologies for the inital blunt reply, and I hope the issue at hand can be worked out satisfactorily in due time. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO 3.6.2 : about Manage dialog from Conditional Formatting
Hi there, On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 06:35 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Nobody interested to test and answer? Sigh - people are busy; in particular Markus - whose baby this is has just put in a great chunk of bug-fixing work for 3.6.2 / 3.6.3 to improve lots of conditional formatting corner-cases. I expect that high-priority bug work chews time he could spend on discussing changes to features. Well, it is clear that QA peoples are not welcome in this area of the code. :-( Please don't feel unwelcome if you don't get a quick response. It is -far- easier to ask questions and find problems than it is to consider and fix them; and some problems are more urgent than others. The problem has been described in fdo#54774, fdo#54940, and on QA and UX-advise mailing-list. We had very few answers and only one developer (Markus) point of view. So I decided to ask on developers ML as it is a developer problem. So - Markus is the authority there, since he's the one doing the hacking :-) last I checked he implemented it based on advice from the UX-advise list [ if it is a UI issue, please follow up only on that list instead of cross-posting ]. This Manage dialog is very important as it gives a summary of all CF defined in the current sheet. It is a long waited function for all peoples who are using CF in their spreadsheets. So a big thank you to Markus for that. Agreed, it's some great work. If nothing is possible, I think the better thing to do is to remove the button Edit from the Manage dialog. So - I imagine the discussion is just slow going; I havn't followed it in detail, perhaps there is some UX input needed, please be patient :-) All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO 3.6.2 : about Manage dialog from Conditional Formatting
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: If nothing is possible, I think the better thing to do is to remove the button Edit from the Manage dialog. I think this is the best thing to do in this case - there is even a bug because of this edit button. If you click edit - remove one conditional formatting entry - Ok - Crash! What I would also do is leave first condition empty (or say something like current selection not in range) if current selection is not in range and it includes a formula. Additional I would put up a warning and explain to the user what he sees (something like Caution! Cells references in formula condition are relative to the current selected cell (cell number)). This is at least what I would do. Regards, Tomaž ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] LO 3.6.2 : about Manage dialog from Conditional Formatting
Hi all, Now, the bottleneck fdo#54498 has been fixed for LO 3.6.2, it is a great step toward making LO 3.6 usable for production ! So I think it's time for developers to consider the severe UX issue we have with the Edit dialog from manage screen in Format - Conditional Formatting - Manage. The problem has been described in fdo#54774, fdo#54940, and on QA and UX-advise mailing-list. We had very few answers and only one developer (Markus) point of view. So I decided to ask on developers ML as it is a developer problem. To make the story short, I think it is crucial to make the Edit dialog from Format CF Manage Button Edit to work exactly in the same way as Format CF CF, regardless the constraints from using relative references. My main argument is here : http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2012-September/002653.html This Manage dialog is very important as it gives a summary of all CF defined in the current sheet. It is a long waited function for all peoples who are using CF in their spreadsheets. So a big thank you to Markus for that. But now it is important to not give a bad user experience with this new great function. If nothing is possible, I think the better thing to do is to remove the button Edit from the Manage dialog. Best regards. JBF, irritating QA people. -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
