Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
Hi,
Mirek M. schrieb:
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote:
Personally I would rather use the menu than these small buttons.
But if that's the preferred way for you, I can try and do it. Doesn't
sound too complicated, also there are already buttons below the vertical
scrollbar. Can you give me Code Pointers to that?
Honestly, I would encourage not to have a show/hide ruler button in the
scroll bar area, as:
1) There would be size problems, as there are with the navigation buttons
at the bottom of the scrollbar, which are barely usable since they're so
small.
2) There would be icon problems, as there are with the navigation buttons.
(On Linux, only a fourth of the circular "Navigation" icon is visible.)
3) It detracts from the general aesthetic.
4) It's not likely to be used often (a user who uses rulers often can keep
them on at all times, a user that doesn't will rarely need the button),
therefore it doesn't need up-front placement.
I think, that there is no need to mimic MS Word. The "Ruler" item is
already in the View menu. That is fine for the keyboard fans.
In MS Word the vertical ruler has the additional task to open the page
layout dialog, so there an on/off icon might me more needed than in LO.
For the more mouse orientated users a predefined icon would be nice. I
argue for an icon, because it is laborious to generate an icon, when you
add the "show/hide ruler" command to the toolbar. Perhaps add such icon
to the standard toolbar, but switch it off as default, like it is done
with the "save as" command?
If you think we really need an up-front ruler toggle, how about putting it
in the Standard toolbar, next to the other "View" buttons ("Navigator",
"Gallery" "Data Sources", "Non-Printing Characters)? Or, if you think that
would stretch the Standard toolbar too much, you could put all of these
commands under a "View" drop-down.
Such drop-down lost the advantage of the toolbar over the menu, because
you would need two clicks in both cases. Therefore I don't like such a
drop-down.
Kind regards
Regina
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 15:51 +0100, Mirek M. wrote:
> If you think we really need an up-front ruler toggle, how about
Hey - you argue convincingly against it IMHO :-) Cluttering the default
menus with yet-another strange option is prolly also not such a great
plan either.
> putting it in the Standard toolbar, next to the other "View" buttons
> ("Navigator", "Gallery" "Data Sources", "Non-Printing Characters)? Or,
I wonder if we could further overload the backwards 'P' for
non-printing characters symbol to enable the ruler as well - but of
course, that's crazy talk ;-)
As/when we have our advanced config options, having whatever persistent
setting for users to enable/disable this sort of thing globally would be
good I guess.
ATB,
Michael.
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
Le 02/11/2012 13:21, Samuel Mehrbrodt a écrit : Personally I would rather use the menu than these small buttons. I would too. What's nice with menus is that they are keyboard-enabled. Thus it is not necessary to manually add some fancy toolbar shortcut. Always remember that the keyboard is a productivity tool, when compared with the mouse, as it doesn't interfere with the user workflow. During trainings, I always emphasize on that point (regardless of the tool or operating system). -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote:
> Personally I would rather use the menu than these small buttons.
>
> But if that's the preferred way for you, I can try and do it. Doesn't
> sound too complicated, also there are already buttons below the vertical
> scrollbar. Can you give me Code Pointers to that?
Honestly, I would encourage not to have a show/hide ruler button in the
scroll bar area, as:
1) There would be size problems, as there are with the navigation buttons
at the bottom of the scrollbar, which are barely usable since they're so
small.
2) There would be icon problems, as there are with the navigation buttons.
(On Linux, only a fourth of the circular "Navigation" icon is visible.)
3) It detracts from the general aesthetic.
4) It's not likely to be used often (a user who uses rulers often can keep
them on at all times, a user that doesn't will rarely need the button),
therefore it doesn't need up-front placement.
If you think we really need an up-front ruler toggle, how about putting it
in the Standard toolbar, next to the other "View" buttons ("Navigator",
"Gallery" "Data Sources", "Non-Printing Characters)? Or, if you think that
would stretch the Standard toolbar too much, you could put all of these
commands under a "View" drop-down.
>
> 2012/11/1 Michael Meeks
>
>>
>> On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 14:02 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote:
>> > there is nothing in LO bugzilla but in AOO you will find
>> > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=99284 with a link to
>> > http://www.libre-software.net/plea-for-hidden-rulers-in-open-office.
>> >
>> > For me it would only mean to add one additional setting to all my
>> > settings, when starting with a new version. So I have no strong opinion
>> > on it.
>>
>> Nice write-up. Samuel - just changing the setting by itself -
>> without
>> making it really easy to re-show the rulers - with a suitable button
>> around the scroll-bar there might be a bit much ? :-) Any chance of
>> implementing a "toggle hide/show rulers" button ?
>>
>> ATB,
>>
>> Michael.
>>
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>>
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
Personally I would rather use the menu than these small buttons. But if that's the preferred way for you, I can try and do it. Doesn't sound too complicated, also there are already buttons below the vertical scrollbar. Can you give me Code Pointers to that? Thanks Samuel 2012/11/1 Michael Meeks > > On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 14:02 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: > > there is nothing in LO bugzilla but in AOO you will find > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=99284 with a link to > > http://www.libre-software.net/plea-for-hidden-rulers-in-open-office. > > > > For me it would only mean to add one additional setting to all my > > settings, when starting with a new version. So I have no strong opinion > > on it. > > Nice write-up. Samuel - just changing the setting by itself - > without > making it really easy to re-show the rulers - with a suitable button > around the scroll-bar there might be a bit much ? :-) Any chance of > implementing a "toggle hide/show rulers" button ? > > ATB, > > Michael. > > -- > michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot > > ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Need Developer Input about Options
Regina Henschel wrote (02-11-12 12:40) Now that you touch this: In section "Print" > "Reduce Print Data" the option "Reduce gradients": That features is broken https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120890 Suggestion is to remove it totally. Some drawings with gradients do not print for me from Libre/OpenOffice (i.e more time that I want to wait ... > 10 minutes) But once exported as PDF, they do print (Yes, I should do something in BugZilla, I know..) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Need Developer Input about Options
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. schrieb: Hello, We're in the middle of our option analysis [1] and we'd like to know whether the following options are still needed and, if so, what their use cases are: [..] [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Analyses/Global_Options In section "Print" > "Reduce Print Data" the option "Reduce gradients": That features is broken https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120890 Suggestion is to remove it totally. Kind regards Regina ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
