[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 37230] Calc shift-ctrl-down/up/left/right keystroke changed its behaviour

2013-08-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37230

--- Comment #38 from Kohei Yoshida  ---
Per comment 18, the original idea, and one that I agree with, is to hide this
option in the brand new "Expert Config" page (formerly known as the
"about:config" page), instead of adding yet another check box in our already
crowded General options page.  Since the Expert Config lists all options from
the configuration tree, no extra work is needed to add items to that list.

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSoC] Use Widget Layout for the Start Center

2013-08-26 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 26/08/13 09:42, Tor Lillqvist a écrit :


> 
> Well, the whole Start Centre concept is alien to OS X and Windows if you
> ask me... That we use it on those platforms, too, is just because we
> don't have resources to DTRT.
> 

Yup.

For example, when you launch the Pages application, you get the basic
OSX Finder window in the default directory where documents are stored
(i.e. "Documents"), and a "New Document" button to the bottom left of
the window. Clicking on this then opens the Template dialog window, with
a list of possible template categories in the left hand pane, and
previews of these templates in the main window pane. Note that the
templates are displayed as if they were on a lighttable, with a black
background.

TextEdit does the OSX Finder dialog first.

MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint 2011 for Mac opens the Template dialog window
immediately, without going through a Finder dialog first, using a same
black background lighttable display. Online templates are available by a
simple click on the corresponding menu entry in the left hand pane.

The nearest I've found to the proposed new LO startscreen on OSX is
Scribus 1.3.8 ;-)



Alex



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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 68071] Editing: give non-printing characters a color different from the text

2013-08-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68071

--- Comment #4 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to comment #3)

> I'm a bit concerned about the visibility of the characters. I'm not sure we
> can always rely on the selection color providing enough contrast, especially
> at 50% opacity. A single solid color would be easier to manage if bugs were
> to arise.
> 
> I can suggest the color #6abed3 for now, but please feel free to suggest
> different ones.

The current color for non-printing characters (NPC) is the same as the font
color.
So when choosing a color for NPC that is always the same, might be strange
sometimes? How does that look on other applications?
Other option would be the same color as the font but lighter?

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSoC] Use Widget Layout for the Start Center

2013-08-26 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 24/07/13 18:16, Krisztian Pinter a écrit :


One major problem with document previews is that there are none for ODB
files. When one works with ODT and ODB files regularly (as I do), this
makes for one ugly startscreen, interspersed with ODT previews and Base
app icons. Unfortunately, I do not know what could be done about this,
other than perhaps providing a fake placeholder preview for the ODB
documents, but I've no idea how that would work or what form it could take.


Alex

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSoC] Use Widget Layout for the Start Center

2013-08-26 Thread Tor Lillqvist
>
> 4. Open/Templates buttons are very very big, and they look very alienated
> on OS X. Have no idea about the other platforms.
>

Well, the whole Start Centre concept is alien to OS X and Windows if you
ask me... That we use it on those platforms, too, is just because we don't
have resources to DTRT.

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSoC] Use Widget Layout for the Start Center

2013-08-26 Thread Emir Yâsin SARI
Hello,

I'd like to point out some ideas of mine for the new start center as well,

1. Tabs labeled All, Documents, Spreadsheets etc. would look better if they are 
located right under the window bar, currently they look like they've been 
pressed down by the Open/Templates buttons and LibreOffice logo area. 
2. Changing the application background colour from settings change the SC 
background as well as usual, and LibreOffice logo looks bad under certain 
colours, not readable at all. Personally I am not sure if we ever need a LO 
logo for the Start Center, it just takes up space. 
3. Info, Get Templates, Get Extensions buttons should be located on the lower 
corner, not upper. Again waste of space. 
4. Open/Templates buttons are very very big, and they look very alienated on OS 
X. Have no idea about the other platforms. 
5. New document buttons under the tabs are also very big, they do not look 
native, and they leave very valuable space wasted on the right side of the 
buttons. Same case for the small buttons under the All Recent tab.
6. Also mentioned here before, Recent Documents are would offer more file 
manager capabilities, basic functions like longer file names, ability to 
drag&drop, a search bar, and a system right click context menu!
7. When a recent document is opened, window should maximise itself by default,  
at least there should be an option to maximise the window automatically, a 
normal user would probably maximise the window area after opening a document. 
8. As a long term goal, it would be better to merge templates window into the 
start center. 

Best regards,

Emir Yâsin SARI
bitig...@me.com



18 Ağu 2013 tarihinde 14:16 saatinde, Mirek M. şunları yazdı:

> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Mirek M.  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure 
>  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Le 14/08/2013 08:51, Mirek M. a écrit :
> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure
> > mailto:jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Krisztian,
> >
> > Le 24/07/2013 18:16, Krisztian Pinter a écrit :
> > > Hi all!
> > >
> > > I'm working on this GSoC
> > > project:
> > 
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas#Use_Widget_Layout_for_the_Start_Center
> >
> > I just tried the first implementation of the new startcenter in the
> > master. It is interesting to view the recent documents but there is a
> > problem in the actual implementation in which it is impossible to see
> > the entire name of the file. Do you plan to offer different views of the
> > list, like icons, detailed list and compact list?
> >
> >
> > My opinion on the matter:
> > It'd be good to keep the number of views simple.
> > A detailed list makes sense, but I don't see much of a point in an icon
> > list (thumbnails are much more informational, icons just show the file
> > type and are completely useless when you're not on the "All" tab).
> 
> I disagree, icons are useful even when you are not on the "All" tab to
> distinguish between ODF, MSO files or other document formats.
> 
> AFAIK, we don't have separate icons for the various file formats right now.
> However, if easy separation between these formats was something we needed, we 
> could simply add labels to our thumbnails instead.
> This would add clutter, though, so perhaps presenting this information as a 
> file extension might be better.
>  
> I think thumbnails are informational if you have the possibility to zoom
> temporary on a particular thumbnail to see a more detailed view. In
> other cases I prefer icons and filenames.
> 
> You should use list view, then. :)
> 
> > I'm not in favor of a compact list either -- if you need a list, use the
> > detailed list view, if you need to browse quickly, use the thumbnail
> > view. I realize that the compact view is much more compact, but it
> > doesn't seem worth the work and the UI overhead.
> 
> I agree, it was just an example of the different possible views.
> 
> >
> >
> > In the mockup (here:
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Start_Center) the
> > filenames follow the old ms-dos 8 digit rule; am I wrong if I assume
> > that, today, nobody still uses that rule in the real life ? ;-)
> >
> >
> > Sorry, I left out the handling of long names from the proposal.
> > Given that Gnome Documents [1] uses the same layout, how about adopting
> > their way -- limiting the filename to two rows, and if it doesn't fit,
> > cutting it off about 8 characters from the end of the word, if I'm not
> > mistaken. You can ask Jon McCann or Jakub Steiner about the specifics,
> > if you'd like.
> 
> Why only 2 rows? If the files systems allow to have long filenames,
> applications should not decide to nullify this functionality.
> 
> I was basing the design on that of Gnome Documents, where the reasoning is to 
> keep a nice layout going.
> iWork and Google Drive go even further and allow one line for filenames.