[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 82272] New 'Chart' toolbar icon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82272 --- Comment #1 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com --- Here is a portion of the twitter discussion i had with a professional UX coder regarding the chart icon yesterday. The full discussion can be found at https://twitter.com/phantominker/status/496832435389468672 @jphilipz One really easy one: There really ought to be a Create Chart button on the toolbar by default. I found it in the menus after a minute, but such an incredibly common business tool ought to be readily accessible and require no treasure hunts. @jphilipz Love or hate Excel's ribbon, the Create Chart buttons are big and bold on its Insert tab. It's not rocket science to find 'em. @jphilipz Even back in the toolbar days, both it and Quattro Pro all had a Create Chart toolbar button. @phantominker there is a 'chart' button in calc in the toolbar, its a red pie chart with a green slice @jphilipz Either it didn't exist in my version (4.1.x, I think), or that icon needs redrawing. I'll check for it when I get home tonight. @jphilipz (We use Excel at work, and I use LibreOffice [and formerly OpenOffice] at home, because open source++.) @phantominker quite sure its there as i'm running it now. :D there is an option to have larger toolbar icons in Tools Options View @jphilipz That red thing in this screenshot? http://www.softwarecrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/libreoffice_calc.png If that's what you're talking about, it needs redrawing. @phantominker yep the one next to the icon with a paintbrush @jphilipz So try this simple Google search: https://t.co/HcAZSY8WlE Count how many of the results look like that chart icon (hint: 0). @jphilipz It looks far more like a red stop doing something button than a chart icon, and the % in the corner doesn't help. @phantominker yep i think a bar chart icon would be better. i remember someone thinking that the percentage sign was some eyes @jphilipz I'd suggest a simple bar-chart icon, a few bars, each a different color. It's easy to recognize even at low resolutions, and difficult to mistake for something else. Good Ux is about meeting expectations; not about trying to change them. @phantominker yes you are the second person to have difficulty with the icon, so i'll suggest to them to change it to a bar. @phantominker or atleast the same pie chart without the percentage sign. :D @jphilipz I'd agree. Something like this may be boring, but it's unambiguous: http://www.vista-style-icons.com/libs/biz-v/3d_graph-icon.gif @phantominker i think a simple 2d version would be great as it would work well in both small and large icon sizes. @jphilipz You mean like other spreadsheet software has used for the last 20 years? Maybe a good idea. http://www.dixon.ws/quattro/screen.gif @phantominker maybe 2d when its a small icon and 3d when its a large icon @phantominker libreoffice has come out with their own icon set called Sifr and in it, its a simple flat pie chart that is easy to understand @jphilipz There's a reason why Excel, Lotus, Quattro, Numbers all used bar charts for their chart icon. Study your competition. It makes me wonder, why on windows are the default icons small and on linux they are large. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 82272] New 'Chart' toolbar icon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82272 Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |f...@libreoffice.org, |.freedesktop.org|maz...@gmail.com Component|ux-advise |UI Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #2 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org --- Thanks for filing a concise, detailed bug report. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 73151] Navigator, Gallery, StylesFormatting should open in the Sidebar
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73151 --- Comment #17 from Mirek2 maz...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #16) Professional writers make most of their writings on big documents. They also use advanced tools that were created just for helping manage big documents: the Navigator and the Stylist. Hence, both *must* be present at once on the screen, in anchored state, of course. The current SideBar has some niceties and could be a nice support for the two panes we're discussing here. But it lacks the capability of displaying both the Navigator and the Stylist at once. Not having this feature while dismissing the traditional Navigator and Stylist panes will make professionals uncomfortable. This would cause plenty of useless mouse clicks (hint: keyboard shortcuts would be a nice enhancement btw) which would break the user's workflow. As I said, the ideal solution would be to have detachable panes in the toolbar -- the same approach that GIMP, Inkscape, and Adobe CS programs take. It'd be great if you could find someone to work on that. The compromise that I would suggest, then, if we must have the individual panes as well as the sidebar, is to put the panes into View Floating Panes (and remove them from the toolbar). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475 --- Comment #12 from Mirek2 maz...@gmail.com --- Hi Jay, I'll just comment on your answer here and comment on the issue later: (In reply to comment #9) * Additionally, I would propose to either get rid of the Font Name dropdown or at least condense it into a drop-down menu with an icon. It's bad practice both to use more than 3 fonts per document and to hard-format fonts instead of using styles. The concept of styles are foreign to many users and they will stick with using the font names dialog to select fonts they want to use and i doubt there is anything that will change this behaviour unless styles are introduced in a new manner that is very ease to grasp. Yes, but the font name drop-down is rarely used, which means it should either be removed from the toolbar and left to the sidebar or it should at least occupy less space (as a drop-down with an icon). Step 2 == a) * +1 to having a Word functions split button * I disagree with having a Spelling menu item -- the current approach that lets you work with the selection, the paragraph, or all text makes much more sense to me. Well i suggested the spelling menu, as a means of grouping spelling related items into the Tools menu, similar to having a language menu item in the Tools menu. I didnt quite get what you meant with 'work with the selection, the paragraph, or all text' when it comes to spelling. Spelling is an integral part of the Language menu under tools -- spell-checking and grammar-checking are the only reasons to apply a language to parts of text. What I meant to say is that there's no need for a separate Spelling menu -- it would just duplicate the Language menu. * Not keen on building Google or Bing into LibO. Wouldn't mind extensions for this, though. This was only a hope that something would show up like this in the future, as i think it would help many translators (especially those working on the release notes for LibO :D). If an open source alternative is around, i'm all for it, but was just suggesting how this drop down might get expanded in the future. I understand. * Error navigation is better suited for the Navigate by feature. Where can i find this navigate by feature? Either the navigator or the Find toolbar. In older versions, it used to be at the bottom of the right-hand scrollbar. b) * Given that several of the alignment options are commonly used, I would not make them into a group button. Because we have the Properties pane now, we should just have individual buttons for the more important features in the toolbar. * The same with Bullets and Numbering. These are commonly used buttons, but unfortunately they take up more space than the more used trio - bold, italics and underline. In the alternative mockup i have suggested the use of a two button approach so it takes up the size of 2.5 buttons rather than 4 (this mockup also keeps the buttons and numbering separate). The thing is, we don't need to save space. We should keep all the common options as accessible for users as possible and relegate all the lesser-used commands to the sidebar. Button groups make things harder to access, and if the formatting toolbar is supposed to provide quick access to the most common commands, it should avoid them when possible. (Ideally, LibreOffice would be responsive and group buttons into drop-down menus when there is no room for them.) Step 3 == a) * I'm torn about whether to add Find or Find and Replace. Though Ctrl+F is relatively well-known, 15% of users used the toolbar button (more than Undo, Cut, Copy, or Paste). The toolbar is also more comfortable to use, already links to Find and Replace if it's needed, and has navigation features not found in the dialog. I'm also hoping some basic replace functionality will be added to the toolbar. I was initially going to suggest a group find button, but unfortunately space was a limiting factor. The group button was going to have Find, Find Replace, Goto Page (dialog), and Navigator. A simple Find button is probably best, as it encompasses both search and navigation. * Subscript/superscript should be individual buttons. (There's space freed by the Font name removal suggested above.) Yes if there is space, i'd have these as separate. If there is no space, they should be in the sidebar. * A single Size Change button would be hard to implement, it would feel alien as it's not a native widget, and the small version would be hard to target. It'd be preferable to replace the font size combo box (which shouldn't be used anyway -- styles should be used for sizing text) with Increase font size and Decrease font size buttons. Clicking one of these buttons should show the new font size in a tooltip below the button. Well i was going to suggest the 2 increase and decrease font buttons located on either side of the font
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 73151] Navigator, Gallery, StylesFormatting should open in the Sidebar
Hi, Le 07/08/2014 14:55, bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org a écrit : As I said, the ideal solution would be to have detachable panes in the toolbar -- the same approach that GIMP, Inkscape, and Adobe CS programs take. It'd be great if you could find someone to work on that. I don't use any of those, so I can't tell. Unless I misunderstood you, is this not what's exactly happening currently with the Navigator (F5) and the Stylist (F11)? The compromise that I would suggest, then, if we must have the individual panes as well as the sidebar, is to put the panes into View Floating Panes (and remove them from the toolbar). Dunno how restrictive is your wording Floating Panes, but it is obvious to me that these panes *must* be able to be anchored. Are you trying to mend something that's not broken? -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars
Le 07/08/2014 15:22, bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org a écrit : The concept of styles are foreign to many users and they will stick with using the font names dialog to select fonts they want to use and i doubt there is anything that will change this behaviour unless styles are introduced in a new manner that is very ease to grasp. +1 Yes, but the font name drop-down is rarely used, Could you elaborate, please? When I see the people around me (corporate environment, 400+ users) who don't use styles (most of them, unfortunately), the font drop-down *is* used very often. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 82309] New: Using large icons as default on windows
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82309 Priority: medium Bug ID: 82309 CC: libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org Assignee: libreoffice-b...@lists.freedesktop.org Summary: Using large icons as default on windows Severity: enhancement Classification: Unclassified OS: Windows (All) Reporter: philip...@hotmail.com Hardware: Other Status: UNCONFIRMED Version: unspecified Component: ux-advise Product: LibreOffice Similar to Emir's bug 68174 for using large icons in Mac OS X by default, i'd like to suggest that LibO also use large icons on Windows by default. I'm suggest this as i think that many regular/new users will benefit from this, as the smaller icons are becoming quite difficult to see on the ever increasing screen sizes. Microsoft has gone the route of using larger icons in their OS (desktop, taskbar, ribbon UI, etc) and i think large icons in LibO will look good. Even on my 7 year old laptop's screen resolution of 1280x768, the large icons on the default 2 toolbars look clear and there is still 20% of empty room to their right. I also tried the 1024x768 resolution to see how it would look on a 4x3 resolution and it still looked fine. Though i had this suggestion for sometime, what prompted me to submit the bug today was that i had a discussion with a user on twitter yesterday who said the following about not finding the chart icon in calc and i said it is was there. @jphilipz That red thing in this screenshot? http://www.softwarecrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/libreoffice_calc.png If that's what you're talking about, it needs redrawing. @jphilipz It looks far more like a red stop doing something button than a chart icon, and the % in the corner doesn't help. I'm assuming that if the icons were larger, it may have been easier for him to spot and understood what the icon was. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 82309] Using large icons as default on windows
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82309 V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu --- @Jay, *, (In reply to comment #0) Similar to Emir's bug 68174 for using large icons in Mac OS X by default, i'd like to suggest that LibO also use large icons on Windows by default. IIRC, currently there are 32, 64, 128 and 256 bit icon sets. So exactly which are you suggesting be used -- and where -- on the UI? You need to flesh out the suggestion. Personally, I am not a fan of over sized ICONs, although they are a necessity when supporting HDPI monitors--but that is a different issue. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 82309] Using large icons as default on windows
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82309 --- Comment #2 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org --- Please, no. I already hated the change in OS X, where it doesn’t fit at all. I'm assuming that if the icons were larger, it may have been easier for him to spot and understood what the icon was. If our icon metaphors suck, large icons won’t help. Also, don’t confuse with the whole HiDPI thing. Yes, it does need bigger icons, but these are still proportional to the relative size of the UI, which is also bigger (as in more pixels) in HiDPI. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
