[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90090] Rearranging the UI of Draw

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90090

--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #11)
 @Heiko, Cor: What is your take on this.

Isn't the default layout for most apps to have navigation left, properties
right, and tools on top? And that's what graphic tools do as well with the mode
selection at the left sidebar.

We have two perspectives here: a) Draw is an independent application and should
be compared with other graphic tools, and b) Draw is part of the LO suite
mainly with supporting functions. In case of a) your proposal is debatable but
for b) we should respect and favor consistency over modules. Whether or not you
take the Zonk at option b), Draw is started inline from other LO apps and
should work there as well.

Personally, I don't like single row toolbar in general. Your toolbar contains
of 25 items, many with multiple assignment and not categorized into a few
sections. I'd agree when it was mostly on/off items, which makes sense since
many settings are duplicated at the right sidebar.

To make clear what I mean with categorization of toolbar items: The main menu
has 9 top level items, one of them is File. The standard toolbar contains
always of a couple of items from this files menu, I do not need to check those
for a certain function. This section is followed by Edit functions.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90195] Hiding the menu bar

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90195

V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu

--- Comment #2 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
@Jay,

Assume you mean a simple toggle to show or hide the main menu once you have
launched the StartCenter or then a module. 

As distinct from full page mode, Ctrl+Shift+j, where both main menu and
toolbars are hidden.

It would require a well publicized accelerator be assigned as a toggle, perhaps
also something from the Ctrl+Shift block?

And, would have to adjust for menu functions on OS X, or other DE that want to
control menus.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90194] Make Breeze the new default in Windows and OS X

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90194

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
Sifr: https://user-prompt.com/about-the-performance-of-the-sifr-icon-set/
Breeze: https://user-prompt.com/intermediate-results-of-the-icon-tests-breeze/

Resume: https://user-prompt.com/extracting-the-dna-of-icons/

(At the time of the survey the Breeze icon set was not known. And we didn't ask
for the OS.)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90195] Hiding the menu bar

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90195

V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90194] Make Breeze the new default in Windows and OS X

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90194

V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
 CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #2 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
For OS X, might do to survey that group of users to compare Sifr and Breeze
side by side.

Agree, there is a case to be made for using Breeze on Windows 10, but so far
too few preview users to take any reasonable measure.  Tango probably is the
less disagreeable for other Windows Desktops.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90195] Hiding the menu bar

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90195

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEEDINFO|NEW

--- Comment #3 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #1)
 In my opinion it's up to the OS or desktop environment how to handle main
 menu, window decoration, theming and colors (to make a Chuck Norris
 roundhouse kick).

Yes the OS/DE is the one that decides to show or merge it with an existing
panel, but ultimately the user is in control of how LO looks. Dont see this any
different then the user being able to show/hide a toolbar or change the
document background color to another color.

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #2)
 Assume you mean a simple toggle to show or hide the main menu once you have
 launched the StartCenter or then a module. 

 As distinct from full page mode, Ctrl+Shift+j, where both main menu and
 toolbars are hidden.

Yes a simple toggle when your in a module that takes the hiding idea from full
page mode.

 It would require a well publicized accelerator be assigned as a toggle,
 perhaps also something from the Ctrl+Shift block?

Ideally we'd have a toolbar button to do this like what is available in MSO and
Google Docs, but the menubar should be unhidden if the user does press a
menubar shortcut like Alt+F.

 And, would have to adjust for menu functions on OS X, or other DE that want
 to control menus.

Yes this functionality wouldnt be used on OSs/DEs that hide the menu bar
altogether.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90195] Hiding the menu bar

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90195

--- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
In my opinion it's up to the OS or desktop environment how to handle main menu,
window decoration, theming and colors (to make a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick).
Run OS X or Gnome 3 if you want to hide or to place the menubar on top (KDE
offers this option as well, of course). On the other hand, Firefox shoot
forward...

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90194] Make Breeze the new default in Windows and OS X

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90194

--- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
The Breeze icons are very controversially discussed. IMHO it should be the
default for KDE only.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90195] New: Hiding the menu bar

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90195

Bug ID: 90195
   Summary: Hiding the menu bar
   Product: LibreOffice
   Version: 4.5.0.0.alpha0+ Master
  Hardware: Other
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: enhancement
  Priority: medium
 Component: ux-advise
  Assignee: libreoffice-b...@lists.freedesktop.org
  Reporter: philip...@hotmail.com
CC: libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org
Blocks: 85811

It would be nice to be able to hide the menu bar, especially for users who
never open it, as this provides more vertical space for the document and it
would benefit in a touch screen mode.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90187] UNO command to show/hide the track changes toolbar

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90187

Commit Notification libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|| target:4.5.0

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90090] Rearranging the UI of Draw

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90090

--- Comment #14 from Commit Notification 
libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to master:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9b6b866c350f9900b3399214fcea550f282af2d0

tdf#90090 reduce the size of the right page/slide pane

It will be available in 4.5.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds
Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90194] Make Breeze the new default in Windows and OS X

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90194

Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30
   ||541

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90194] New: Make Breeze the new default in Windows and OS X

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90194

Bug ID: 90194
   Summary: Make Breeze the new default in Windows and OS X
   Product: LibreOffice
   Version: unspecified
  Hardware: Other
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: medium
 Component: ux-advise
  Assignee: libreoffice-b...@lists.freedesktop.org
  Reporter: f...@libreoffice.org
CC: libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org

On one hand, Breeze fits OS X Yosemite’s (and iOS’) aesthetics much better than
Sifr (bug 76681 comment 6); on the other, it is more in line with Windows 10
icons. Besides, I love the fact that it doesn’t drop color.

So: can we? Please? =)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 30541] Windows default icons should not be Gnome icons

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30541

Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90
   ||194

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 88742] Using of the Term “Properties” in Sidebar is a Bit Unfortunate

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88742

--- Comment #2 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org ---
Sure, “Formatting” seems more descriptive. +1

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 88148] Image caption management forces to insert a category and numbering even if you do not need it

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88148

--- Comment #2 from Piotr frank...@interia.pl ---
Confirmed all of the above on Win 8, 8.1, x64.
The most surprising is that it worked well in all OO/LO previours versions we
used in the company, that is OO 3.2, LO 4.2.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #50 from Commit Notification 
libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to master:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=ff9fde527ec05a71c27fa3109ef4b57216f785dd

tdf#81475 Fix missing space in standard toolbar and rearranged other toolbars

It will be available in 4.5.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds
Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90090] Rearranging the UI of Draw

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90090

--- Comment #16 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #15)
 Isn't the default layout for most apps to have navigation left, properties
 right, and tools on top? And that's what graphic tools do as well with the
 mode selection at the left sidebar.

Most graphic tools do not have a left sidebar as they do not have multiple
pages to a document, but have layers in a document which appears in the right
sidebar. These layers can be grouped into folders which can be shown and
hidden, so you wouldnt necessarily need multiple pages, especially when they
are the exact same page dimension.

 We have two perspectives here: a) Draw is an independent application and
 should be compared with other graphic tools, and b) Draw is part of the LO
 suite mainly with supporting functions. In case of a) your proposal is
 debatable but for b) we should respect and favor consistency over modules.
 Whether or not you take the Zonk at option b), Draw is started inline from
 other LO apps and should work there as well.

With LO having a shared codebase, documents created in a module can be added to
another module's document. Calc, draw, and formula can all be started inline in
writer. Even the unlisted chart app starts inline in writer.

 Personally, I don't like single row toolbar in general. Your toolbar
 contains of 25 items, many with multiple assignment and not categorized into
 a few sections. I'd agree when it was mostly on/off items, which makes sense
 since many settings are duplicated at the right sidebar.

Yes it is still a work in progress of which buttons will be appearing in the
top and left toolbars and once that has been done, it will should be easy to
categorize them.

 To make clear what I mean with categorization of toolbar items: The main
 menu has 9 top level items, one of them is File. The standard toolbar
 contains always of a couple of items from this files menu, I do not need to
 check those for a certain function. This section is followed by Edit
 functions.

Didnt fully grasp this paragraph.

Was looking around for more apps to see how they deal with multiple pages and
corel draw displays pages similar to how calc has pages.

https://engineering.case.edu/thinkbox/sites/engineering.case.edu.thinkbox/files/images/coreldraw.jpg

One benefit of having it there is that we currently have a bar presently there
with Layout, Controls, and Dimension Lines tabs, which i couldnt figure out how
to use. :D

Also saw that corel draw mixes the pages and layers into an object manager tab.

http://www.hizliprogramindir.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/corel-draw-2.jpg
http://www.cbscreative.com/corel/corel07/ProjectLayers.gif

(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #1)
 
 One word: fallacy.
 

Please explain why it is a fallacy to think of Draw as a drawing application.
On the start center it says 'Draw Drawing'. :D

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90090] Rearranging the UI of Draw

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90090

--- Comment #17 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
I asked a libreoffice video tutorial author who i regularly watch his videos as
he's been doing them since 3.3 and here are his responses to questions i asked
him related to this enhancement.

@MichaelTFCG in draw, do you think landscape or portrait is the best default
page view?
@jphilipz I don’t have a preference,  I will have to change it about 50 percent
of the time either way.

@MichaelTFCG in draw, would you like the option to have the left pages pane
inside of the right sidebar
@jphilipz Definetly, I think that is a great idea to put the pages pane inside
of the sidebar.
@jphilipz I would also leave it as its own window, for the anti-sidebar people.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90214] New: Rule Should be White When Dark Themes Used

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90214

Bug ID: 90214
   Summary: Rule Should be White When Dark Themes Used
   Product: LibreOffice
   Version: 4.4.1.2 rc
  Hardware: All
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: enhancement
  Priority: medium
 Component: ux-advise
  Assignee: libreoffice-b...@lists.freedesktop.org
  Reporter: jmadero@gmail.com
CC: libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org

Created attachment 114320
  -- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=114320action=edit
Ruler Too Dark to Read with Dark Themes

When dark themes are used the ruler is really hard to read. I suggest that the
numbers, the lines, and the tab placement markers all be made white when dark
themes are used. 

Not sure how possible this is - just a suggestion for UX. Image attached
showing what I'm talking about.


I'm currently running GnomishDark in Ubuntu 14.10

http://www.noobslab.com/2014/04/gnomishdark-gtk-theme-for-ubuntu-mint.html

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90048] Add Nicer Looking Default Styles

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90048

--- Comment #2 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Sounds reasonable - but doesn't prevent us adding new styles that are prettier.
I suggest something like Header1Gr, TitleGr, etc

I know that's a bit overwhelming and it'd be great if we could filter styles
somehow but this would enable us to make a nice green set of styles that would
be bolder, prettier, and more demonstrative of character/paragraph styles than
what we currently have being used.

I know that one thing on the table is allowing installing style packages - if
we can do that and start hosting tarballs on the template page that has a
package of styles that users create, that would be a partial solution
(although having a default pretty style seems appropriate to me)


Of course if UX disagrees, this can be closed.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90195] Hiding the menu bar

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90195

--- Comment #4 from Tomaz Vajngerl qui...@gmail.com ---
I have experimented with hiding the menu bar similar to how Firefox does it, by
press  release of alt without any other key. I managed to get it work but then
I didn't yet managed to force show the menu when you actually a menu
accelerator (alt + registered key).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90205] Ruler measurement numbers need to be darker

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90205

A (Andy) stgohi-lob...@yahoo.de changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|medium  |low
 CC||stgohi-lob...@yahoo.de

--- Comment #1 from A (Andy) stgohi-lob...@yahoo.de ---
From my point of view it could maybe be a little bit darker, but to be sure I
would need to see them side by side.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90187] New: UNO command to show/hide the track changes toolbar

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90187

Bug ID: 90187
   Summary: UNO command to show/hide the track changes toolbar
   Product: LibreOffice
   Version: 4.5.0.0.alpha0+ Master
  Hardware: Other
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: enhancement
  Priority: medium
 Component: ux-advise
  Assignee: libreoffice-b...@lists.freedesktop.org
  Reporter: philip...@hotmail.com
CC: libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org
Blocks: 83946, 86899

Similar to the toolbar button for showing/hiding the draw toolbar
(.uno:InsertDraw), an uno command to do the same for the track changes toolbar
would be useful for inclusion in the standard toolbar.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90187] UNO command to show/hide the track changes toolbar

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90187

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
The uno command should be labelled as TrackChagesBar.

I have added an icon for it. https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/14980

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90090] Rearranging the UI of Draw

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90090

--- Comment #13 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Thanks Kendy for the code pointer. Hiding the page pane is out of my league but
i was able shrink it. ;D

The only thing remaining for this new rearrangement is to have the sidebar
fully open, like it is in impress. Without it being fully open, users will
wonder where to go to modify object properties.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 87923] RULER: Hiding only the vertical ruler

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87923

Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |
   |.freedesktop.org|
  Component|ux-advise   |UI
 Resolution|--- |FIXED
   Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |ke...@collabora.com
   |desktop.org |
 Whiteboard| target:4.5.0 target:4.4.1  |target:4.5.0 target:4.4.0
   |target:4.4.0|

--- Comment #8 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org ---
No idea why this wasn’t closed before…

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 88417] Dropdown for ruler settings should show radio buttons instead of check boxes

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88417

Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |
   |.freedesktop.org|
  Component|ux-advise   |UI
 Whiteboard| target:4.5.0 target:4.4.1  |target:4.5.0 target:4.4.0
   |target:4.4.0|

--- Comment #16 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org ---
[Housekeeping]

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90203] When only 1 document is open in Writer, closing it also closing Writer

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90203

Julien Nabet serval2...@yahoo.fr changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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  Component|LibreOffice |ux-advise

--- Comment #2 from Julien Nabet serval2...@yahoo.fr ---
Following Andy's suggestion, let's ask to ux-team.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90205] New: Ruler measurement numbers need to be darker

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90205

Bug ID: 90205
   Summary: Ruler measurement numbers need to be darker
   Product: LibreOffice
   Version: 4.5.0.0.alpha0+ Master
  Hardware: Other
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: enhancement
  Priority: medium
 Component: ux-advise
  Assignee: libreoffice-b...@lists.freedesktop.org
  Reporter: philip...@hotmail.com
CC: ke...@collabora.com,
libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org

In 4.4, kendy reduced the size of the ruler which made it look nicer, but gray
color of the measurement numbers which have gotten smaller are now harder to
see, so it would be good to darken them.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90191] New: TOC: Column spacing shouldnt be set to 0.00

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90191

Bug ID: 90191
   Summary: TOC: Column spacing shouldnt be set to 0.00
   Product: LibreOffice
   Version: 4.5.0.0.alpha0+ Master
  Hardware: Other
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: enhancement
  Priority: medium
 Component: ux-advise
  Assignee: libreoffice-b...@lists.freedesktop.org
  Reporter: philip...@hotmail.com
CC: libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org
Blocks: 89606

When you set columns in a TOC or index, the spacing field should be set to a
good default value rather than 0.00 so that a user doesnt need to modify this
value, unless they want to be specific.

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Discussion about highlighting (MS compatibility issue)

2015-03-24 Thread Zolnai Tamás
Hi there,

So in the end I solved this issue on the following way:
- I did not touch toolbar icons. I created a bug report about the
ambiguity of character background naming:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89830
- Both highlighting and shading can be a good candidate to export LO
character background to, so I added
a compatibility option to Tools - Options - Load/Save - Microsoft
Office, where user can select how
to save LO character background (as which MSO attribute).
- Since the name Highlighting is more accessible than character
background in LO and than shading in MSO, I set
highlighting as the default for export. LO help also calls character
background as Highlighting. So from a user point of
view LO character background is closer to MSO highlighting, in spite
of that on the implementation level it's closer to
MSO shading.
- MSO import / export filters preserve both MSO attributes. These two
attributes are there at a specific text range until
character background is edited by LO. Editing removes markers
indicating there we have MSO imported attributes and
adds LO specific character background.


Best Regards,
Tamás

2015-02-11 15:43 GMT+01:00 Zolnai Tamás zolnaitamas2...@gmail.com:
 2015-02-10 17:29 GMT+01:00 Michael Stahl mst...@redhat.com:
 On 10.02.2015 15:12, Zolnai Tamás wrote:

 Second thing, I compared these three kind of character backgrounds and
 found that LO's character
 background is closer to MS shading attribute then to MS highlighting, 
 because:
 - LO's background color is a general attribute for different objects
 like text range, paragraph, frame, page, cell and so on, and character
 background is a specialization of it (like shading).
 - LO's background color and MS shading both has more color to choose
 from, while MS highlighting allows only 16 colors.
 - LO's background color and MS shading has a meaning like fill the
 selected object's background with a color, while highlight has the
 meaning like highlight a text range with a highlighter pen.
 So IMHO LO background color should be exported as shading to MS file
 formats and not as highlighting.

 Only similarity between LO's background color and MS highlighting is
 the Highlighting toolbar button and this is the
 problem here. Why LO uses an other name for character background on
 the toolbar and why not use exactly the same
 name (e.g. as in the menu)? This causes the misconceptions we have here.

 i agree that having 2 different ways to do almost but not exactly the
 same thing in the UI is confusing.

 So my new plan is:
 - Remove Highlighting toolbar button
 - Replace it with the existing Background color toolbar button (set
 it as default)
 - Extend the functionality of this Background color button to be
 able to set character background too (By now it is used for setting
 paragraph, frame and cell background)

 With that the toolbar icon of LO's character background will be
 similar to that which is used in Word for setting MS shading attribute
 (a paintbucket). This also means we don't need to support highlighting
 in LO to solve this interoperability problem.

 With respect to RES_CHRATR_HIGHLIGHT attribute it's still useful to
 store MS highlighting on a separate attribute so an MS file won't
 loose shading/highlighting information during a round trip. We can
 solve that on a transparent way, so the users won't know that we have
 two kind of character backgrounds behind the scenes.

 actually - why do we need 2 core attributes for this?  if you apply both
 highlight and shading in Word, one should override the other
 completely in the document view, or how does it work?  can't we just in
 the import filter convert both to the same core item, and if both apply
 to the same text range, then only apply the higher priority one?  then
 export it again as the attribute that allows more colors :)

 In Word when both shading and highlighting is set to the same text
 range, then highlighting covers shading, but
 when highlighting is removed later then the shading under the
 highlighting becomes visible. I can imagine this like
 shading is a static part of the document while highlighting is set
 temporarily (similar to the comments highlighting).

 Other difference between these two attributes in Word is that shading
 has effect on automatic font color (automatic
 font color is a feature of MS Word which makes the actual font color
 changing according to the background color, dark/light background -
 white/black font color), but highlighting has no such interaction with
 it. So using only one background
 attribute and so convert both shading and highlighting into one
 attribute (shading or highlighting) during a round trip can
 lead also to font color change (opening in Word).

 So I think it's a good idea to handle both attribute separately.

 Best Regards,
 Tamás
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